Author: martin fierz
Date: 05:48:34 05/10/04
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On May 10, 2004 at 08:11:34, Sune Fischer wrote: >On May 10, 2004 at 07:33:38, martin fierz wrote: > >>there are instances where pushing pawns in front of your king is ok. there are >>others where it's not ok. they are rather easy to distinguish most of the time >>(some simple rules are sufficient for this) and i'm surprised that you don't >>understand that it's not such a great idea here... > >Rules of thumb are good but not great, there are always exceptions and computers >are experts at finding them. It is possible that all other moves simply lose >faster. if you read the entire thread you would see the issue is not the move ...g5 at all. as has been said before, but you obviously didn't read, kasparov himself said that ...g5 was necessary to keep black in the game. the point i was trying to make is that if black has to resort to such moves, it is clear he did something wrong *before*. >>i know you are a born >>skeptic, but perhaps you should learn to trust people with more experience >>sometimes :-) > >Sometimes, but maybe not this time ;) >Just look at the thread below >http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?364474 this is totally irrelevant. you have to distinguish between concrete analysis, where there can always be mistakes by humans, and general assessments, such as "if black has to play ....g5 here he's in bad shape". the second is true unless disproved by a concrete variation which doesn't seem to exist here. >I think the original intent was to show that DB was not at the level of "modern" >programs _because_ it played g5. Now we have other programs playing it too so >this bit of "proof" goes out the window, IMO. there were several other positions besides the one with ...g5 mentioned. and this one shouldn't even have been mentioned, the really stupid moves were Qa5 and Bc7, and perhaps h6 to start with. here it's already "too late" and you have to start making concessions with ...g5. >Sure you can argue DB was bad because it got itself into this position in the >first place (what is the queen doing on the a-file?? :-), but that's a different >debate :) so in fact no, this isn't a different debate. it started out with those positions which got DB into trouble and degenerated into talking about ...g5, because uri liked that move. there are two ways of looking at ...g5: 1) that it's the only move here, and 2) that it's an extremely ugly move to play and that it's clear now that black is in trouble. both are correct, and seem contradictory at first, but they are not. cheers martin a small PS: i'm certain that if frenzee was a bit less happy about pushing pawns in front of it's king, it would be a much stronger engine :-)
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