Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 08:47:18 05/11/04
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On May 11, 2004 at 11:38:59, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>On May 10, 2004 at 17:35:59, Vasik Rajlich wrote:
>
>>There was a discussion about the game Kasparov-Deep Blue, final match, game 1,
>>whether the position after 11. .. g5 was playable.
>>
>>[D] r4rk1/ppbn1p2/2p1pn1p/q2p2pb/7N/PP1PP1PP/1BPN1PB1/R3QRK1 w - - 0 12
>>
>>The following is how Junior-Shredder handled it. Black was the one trying to win
>>in the endgame ...
>
>Why do you take shredder with black?
>
>
>Take shredder with white for example against some passive playing engine
>(knowing deep blue played ultra passive).
>
>Take gnuchess for example and put it at 10-12 ply.
>
Wonderful testing methodology.
Figure out the result you want.
find the weakest program you can find.
further weaken it by limiting its depth.
Use the strongest opponent you can find for white.
If white wins, you have proven that black was busted.
Marvelous. Simply marvelous...
So scientific it would never have occurred to most of us...
>Gnuchess also makes a lot of the mistakes deep blue made. Gnuchess knows about
>g2,g3 doubled pawn though, deep blue didn't.
>
>deep blue's eval very similar to gnuchess simply, let's face it.
>
>>[Event "OPTION-VAS, 100'/40+50'/20+10'"]
>>[Site "OPTION-VAS"]
>>[Date "2004.05.10"]
>>[Round "1"]
>>[White "Junior 8"]
>>[Black "Shredder 7.04"]
>>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>>[Annotator "Rajlich,Vasik"]
>>[SetUp "1"]
>>[FEN "r4rk1/ppbn1p2/2p1pn1p/q2p2pb/7N/PP1PP1PP/1BPN1PB1/R3QRK1 w - - 0 12"]
>>[PlyCount "118"]
>>
>>{W=17.7 ply; 1.466kN/s
>>B=15.9 ply; 365kN/s
>>} 12. Nhf3 {
>>Both last book move [%eval -14,17] [%emt 0:01:55]} Qb6 {
>>[%eval -19,13] [%emt 0:02:49]} 13. a4 {(b4) [%eval 3,17] [%emt 0:02:29]} Rfe8 {
>>(e5) [%eval -28,13] [%emt 0:02:51]} 14. a5 {(g4) [%eval 7,16] [%emt 0:02:24]}
>>Qc5 {(Qa6) [%eval -34,14] [%emt 0:02:17]} 15. c4 {[%eval 37,15] [%emt 0:01:46]}
>>Bxa5 {(Bg6) [%eval -56,14] [%emt 0:01:58]} 16. g4 {
>>(Bd4) [%eval -1,16] [%emt 0:03:53]} Bg6 {[%eval -77,13] [%emt 0:00:46]} 17. Bd4
>>{[%eval -24,17] [%emt 0:04:41]} Bxd2 {[%eval -74,13] [%emt 0:01:08]} 18. Qxd2 {
>>[%eval -27,17] [%emt 0:04:22]} Qd6 {[%eval -79,13] [%emt 0:02:36]} 19. Bb2 {
>>(Rfc1) [%eval -40,17] [%emt 0:05:52]} a5 {(dxc4) [%eval -78,13] [%emt 0:02:32]}
>>20. cxd5 {(Ne1) [%eval -9,16] [%emt 0:03:00]} exd5 {
>>[%eval -67,14] [%emt 0:02:37]} 21. Rxa5 {(Ne1) [%eval -33,17] [%emt 0:01:36]}
>>Rxa5 {[%eval -107,14] [%emt 0:01:02]} 22. Qxa5 {[%eval -19,16] [%emt 0:00:55]}
>>Bxd3 {[%eval -100,15] [%emt 0:01:48]} 23. Rd1 {
>>(Rc1) [%eval -22,17] [%emt 0:03:17]} Be4 {(Bg6) [%eval -109,14] [%emt 0:02:25]}
>>24. Nd4 {[%eval -29,16] [%emt 0:01:25]} Qe5 {
>>(h5) [%eval -137,13] [%emt 0:03:41]} 25. Qa1 {[%eval -70,16] [%emt 0:03:24]}
>>Bxg2 {[%eval -158,13] [%emt 0:00:32]} 26. Kxg2 {[%eval -111,17] [%emt 0:05:03]}
>>Qe4+ {[%eval -162,14] [%emt 0:01:08]} 27. Kg1 {[%eval -117,18] [%emt 0:05:52]}
>>h5 {(Nxg4) [%eval -159,14] [%emt 0:02:17]} 28. Nf5 {
>>[%eval -117,16] [%emt 0:02:27]} hxg4 {[%eval -186,14] [%emt 0:02:52]} 29. Nh6+
>>{[%eval -129,17] [%emt 0:02:41]} Kf8 {(Kh7) [%eval -170,15] [%emt 0:05:10]} 30.
>>Nxg4 {[%eval -111,17] [%emt 0:03:15]} Nxg4 {[%eval -187,15] [%emt 0:01:15]} 31.
>>Rd4 {[%eval -109,16] [%emt 0:01:45]} Qf5 {[%eval -194,15] [%emt 0:02:09]} 32.
>>Rxg4 {[%eval -119,17] [%emt 0:02:30]} f6 {[%eval -195,14] [%emt 0:01:41]} 33.
>>b4 {(Kg2) [%eval -127,16] [%emt 0:02:23]} b6 {
>>(Ke7) [%eval -202,14] [%emt 0:02:51]} 34. Bc3 {[%eval -113,17] [%emt 0:02:44]}
>>c5 {[%eval -218,14] [%emt 0:01:49]} 35. Qa2 {
>>(Rg3) [%eval -131,16] [%emt 0:03:53]} Re4 {[%eval -231,14] [%emt 0:01:51]} 36.
>>Rxe4 {(Qa8+) [%eval -146,16] [%emt 0:04:34]} dxe4 {
>>[%eval -219,13] [%emt 0:00:10]} 37. bxc5 {(Qa8+) [%eval -140,17] [%emt 0:01:28]
>>} bxc5 {[%eval -207,14] [%emt 0:00:20]} 38. Qa8+ {
>>[%eval -135,18] [%emt 0:02:52]} Ke7 {[%eval -200,17] [%emt 0:03:42]} 39. Qc6 {
>>(Kg2) [%eval -136,18] [%emt 0:02:25]} Qe6 {[%eval -195,17] [%emt 0:03:28]} 40.
>>Qa8 {(Qb7) [%eval -142,18] [%emt 0:02:06]} Qf5 {
>>(Qc4) [%eval -198,17] [%emt 0:04:51]} 41. Qc6 {
>>(Qb7) [%eval 0,18] [%emt 0:00:39]} Qe6 {[%eval -197,17] [%emt 0:02:30]} 42. Qa8
>>{[%eval 0,17] [%emt 0:00:18]} Kf7 {[%eval -192,17] [%emt 0:05:49]} 43. Qh8 {
>>(Kg2) [%eval -126,17] [%emt 0:01:25]} Qd5 {[%eval -195,17] [%emt 0:03:29]} 44.
>>Kg2 {[%eval -133,17] [%emt 0:02:33]} Ke7 {(Qf5) [%eval -196,16] [%emt 0:01:53]}
>>45. Ba5 {(Qc8) [%eval -132,18] [%emt 0:02:11]} Qf5 {
>>(Kd6) [%eval -199,16] [%emt 0:01:57]} 46. Bc7 {
>>(Qa8) [%eval -116,17] [%emt 0:01:20]} Nf8 {(Kf7) [%eval -174,16] [%emt 0:04:09]
>>} 47. Qg7+ {[%eval -101,17] [%emt 0:02:13]} Ke8 {[%eval -181,16] [%emt 0:01:07]
>>} 48. Bg3 {(Bb6) [%eval -100,14] [%emt 0:00:25]} c4 {
>>[%eval -194,16] [%emt 0:02:25]} 49. Qc7 {(Qb7) [%eval -113,15] [%emt 0:00:41]}
>>Qb5 {[%eval -183,16] [%emt 0:02:27]} 50. Bd6 {[%eval -121,14] [%emt 0:00:36]}
>>Nd7 {[%eval -163,17] [%emt 0:03:36]} 51. Qc8+ {
>>(Ba3) [%eval -128,15] [%emt 0:00:25]} Kf7 {[%eval -181,7] [%emt 0:00:00]} 52.
>>Ba3 {[%eval -118,17] [%emt 0:02:55]} Qd5 {[%eval -158,17] [%emt 0:03:09]} 53.
>>Bb2 {(Qh8) [%eval -107,19] [%emt 0:03:25]} Qe6 {
>>(f5) [%eval -141,16] [%emt 0:03:28]} 54. Bd4 {
>>(Qh8) [%eval -105,18] [%emt 0:03:21]} Ke7 {(Kg7) [%eval -161,17] [%emt 0:02:22]
>>} 55. Qa8 {(Qc7) [%eval -87,18] [%emt 0:03:46]} Kf7 {
>>(Qf5) [%eval -143,17] [%emt 0:02:37]} 56. Qc8 {
>>(Qh8) [%eval 0,19] [%emt 0:00:41]} Ke7 {[%eval -161,18] [%emt 0:02:29]} 57. Qa8
>>{(Qc7) [%eval 0,19] [%emt 0:01:31]} Qf5 {[%eval -95,16] [%emt 0:04:41]} 58. Qc6
>>{[%eval -83,17] [%emt 0:03:17]} Qf3+ {[%eval -90,17] [%emt 0:02:31]} 59. Kg1 {
>>[%eval -81,18] [%emt 0:03:28]} Qxh3 {[%eval -92,17] [%emt 0:02:20]} 60. Qxc4 {
>>[%eval -83,17] [%emt 0:04:35]} Qe6 {[%eval -91,16] [%emt 0:02:30]} 61. Qc3 {
>>(Qc7) [%eval -91,19] [%emt 0:10:16]} f5 {(Qd5) [%eval -93,15] [%emt 0:03:03]}
>>62. Qa5 {(Bh8) [%eval -91,18] [%emt 0:03:24]} Kf7 {
>>[%eval -98,18] [%emt 0:02:33]} 63. Kh2 {(Qd8) [%eval -90,17] [%emt 0:00:48]}
>>Kg6 {[%eval -104,14] [%emt 0:00:26]} 64. Qc7 {[%eval -110,19] [%emt 0:02:05]}
>>Nf6 {(Kh5) [%eval -103,15] [%emt 0:01:45]} 65. Bxf6 {
>>(Qb8) [%eval -103,16] [%emt 0:00:44]} Kxf6 {[%eval -111,18] [%emt 0:02:58]} 66.
>>Qd8+ {(Qh7) [%eval -101,17] [%emt 0:01:06]} Kg6 {
>>(Qe7) [%eval -105,16] [%emt 0:00:43]} 67. Kg3 {
>>(Qb8) [%eval -96,19] [%emt 0:03:32]} f4+ {(Qe5+) [%eval -123,16] [%emt 0:02:23]
>>} 68. exf4 {[%eval -72,14] [%emt 0:00:12]} gxf4+ {[%eval -77,16] [%emt 0:07:56]
>>} 69. Kxf4 {[%eval -61,15] [%emt 0:00:22]} Qf5+ {[%eval -76,17] [%emt 0:01:34]}
>>70. Ke3 {[%eval -60,16] [%emt 0:00:39]} Qf3+ {
>>Time [%eval -70,17] [%emt 0:01:25]} 1/2-1/2
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