Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 10:19:09 05/11/04
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On May 11, 2004 at 11:54:34, Kim Roper Jensen wrote:
well the only debugged gnuchess program there is on earth called ZarkovX plays
at 10-11 ply more moves similar to deep blue than any other chess engine. that
is including all bad moves :)
>On May 11, 2004 at 11:38:59, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On May 10, 2004 at 17:35:59, Vasik Rajlich wrote:
>>
>>>There was a discussion about the game Kasparov-Deep Blue, final match, game 1,
>>>whether the position after 11. .. g5 was playable.
>>>
>>>[D] r4rk1/ppbn1p2/2p1pn1p/q2p2pb/7N/PP1PP1PP/1BPN1PB1/R3QRK1 w - - 0 12
>>>
>>>The following is how Junior-Shredder handled it. Black was the one trying to win
>>>in the endgame ...
>>
>>Why do you take shredder with black?
>>
>>
>>Take shredder with white for example against some passive playing engine
>>(knowing deep blue played ultra passive).
>>
>>Take gnuchess for example and put it at 10-12 ply.
>>
>>Gnuchess also makes a lot of the mistakes deep blue made. Gnuchess knows about
>>g2,g3 doubled pawn though, deep blue didn't.
>>
>>deep blue's eval very similar to gnuchess simply, let's face it.
>
>How can you possible know that ?
>
>I dont think that the deep blue team would "copy" the Gnuchess eval, that would
>would be too simple and crude ...
>
>Just my opinion.
>
>>>[Event "OPTION-VAS, 100'/40+50'/20+10'"]
>>>[Site "OPTION-VAS"]
>>>[Date "2004.05.10"]
>>>[Round "1"]
>>>[White "Junior 8"]
>>>[Black "Shredder 7.04"]
>>>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>>>[Annotator "Rajlich,Vasik"]
>>>[SetUp "1"]
>>>[FEN "r4rk1/ppbn1p2/2p1pn1p/q2p2pb/7N/PP1PP1PP/1BPN1PB1/R3QRK1 w - - 0 12"]
>>>[PlyCount "118"]
>>>
>>>{W=17.7 ply; 1.466kN/s
>>>B=15.9 ply; 365kN/s
>>>} 12. Nhf3 {
>>>Both last book move [%eval -14,17] [%emt 0:01:55]} Qb6 {
>>>[%eval -19,13] [%emt 0:02:49]} 13. a4 {(b4) [%eval 3,17] [%emt 0:02:29]} Rfe8 {
>>>(e5) [%eval -28,13] [%emt 0:02:51]} 14. a5 {(g4) [%eval 7,16] [%emt 0:02:24]}
>>>Qc5 {(Qa6) [%eval -34,14] [%emt 0:02:17]} 15. c4 {[%eval 37,15] [%emt 0:01:46]}
>>>Bxa5 {(Bg6) [%eval -56,14] [%emt 0:01:58]} 16. g4 {
>>>(Bd4) [%eval -1,16] [%emt 0:03:53]} Bg6 {[%eval -77,13] [%emt 0:00:46]} 17. Bd4
>>>{[%eval -24,17] [%emt 0:04:41]} Bxd2 {[%eval -74,13] [%emt 0:01:08]} 18. Qxd2 {
>>>[%eval -27,17] [%emt 0:04:22]} Qd6 {[%eval -79,13] [%emt 0:02:36]} 19. Bb2 {
>>>(Rfc1) [%eval -40,17] [%emt 0:05:52]} a5 {(dxc4) [%eval -78,13] [%emt 0:02:32]}
>>>20. cxd5 {(Ne1) [%eval -9,16] [%emt 0:03:00]} exd5 {
>>>[%eval -67,14] [%emt 0:02:37]} 21. Rxa5 {(Ne1) [%eval -33,17] [%emt 0:01:36]}
>>>Rxa5 {[%eval -107,14] [%emt 0:01:02]} 22. Qxa5 {[%eval -19,16] [%emt 0:00:55]}
>>>Bxd3 {[%eval -100,15] [%emt 0:01:48]} 23. Rd1 {
>>>(Rc1) [%eval -22,17] [%emt 0:03:17]} Be4 {(Bg6) [%eval -109,14] [%emt 0:02:25]}
>>>24. Nd4 {[%eval -29,16] [%emt 0:01:25]} Qe5 {
>>>(h5) [%eval -137,13] [%emt 0:03:41]} 25. Qa1 {[%eval -70,16] [%emt 0:03:24]}
>>>Bxg2 {[%eval -158,13] [%emt 0:00:32]} 26. Kxg2 {[%eval -111,17] [%emt 0:05:03]}
>>>Qe4+ {[%eval -162,14] [%emt 0:01:08]} 27. Kg1 {[%eval -117,18] [%emt 0:05:52]}
>>>h5 {(Nxg4) [%eval -159,14] [%emt 0:02:17]} 28. Nf5 {
>>>[%eval -117,16] [%emt 0:02:27]} hxg4 {[%eval -186,14] [%emt 0:02:52]} 29. Nh6+
>>>{[%eval -129,17] [%emt 0:02:41]} Kf8 {(Kh7) [%eval -170,15] [%emt 0:05:10]} 30.
>>>Nxg4 {[%eval -111,17] [%emt 0:03:15]} Nxg4 {[%eval -187,15] [%emt 0:01:15]} 31.
>>>Rd4 {[%eval -109,16] [%emt 0:01:45]} Qf5 {[%eval -194,15] [%emt 0:02:09]} 32.
>>>Rxg4 {[%eval -119,17] [%emt 0:02:30]} f6 {[%eval -195,14] [%emt 0:01:41]} 33.
>>>b4 {(Kg2) [%eval -127,16] [%emt 0:02:23]} b6 {
>>>(Ke7) [%eval -202,14] [%emt 0:02:51]} 34. Bc3 {[%eval -113,17] [%emt 0:02:44]}
>>>c5 {[%eval -218,14] [%emt 0:01:49]} 35. Qa2 {
>>>(Rg3) [%eval -131,16] [%emt 0:03:53]} Re4 {[%eval -231,14] [%emt 0:01:51]} 36.
>>>Rxe4 {(Qa8+) [%eval -146,16] [%emt 0:04:34]} dxe4 {
>>>[%eval -219,13] [%emt 0:00:10]} 37. bxc5 {(Qa8+) [%eval -140,17] [%emt 0:01:28]
>>>} bxc5 {[%eval -207,14] [%emt 0:00:20]} 38. Qa8+ {
>>>[%eval -135,18] [%emt 0:02:52]} Ke7 {[%eval -200,17] [%emt 0:03:42]} 39. Qc6 {
>>>(Kg2) [%eval -136,18] [%emt 0:02:25]} Qe6 {[%eval -195,17] [%emt 0:03:28]} 40.
>>>Qa8 {(Qb7) [%eval -142,18] [%emt 0:02:06]} Qf5 {
>>>(Qc4) [%eval -198,17] [%emt 0:04:51]} 41. Qc6 {
>>>(Qb7) [%eval 0,18] [%emt 0:00:39]} Qe6 {[%eval -197,17] [%emt 0:02:30]} 42. Qa8
>>>{[%eval 0,17] [%emt 0:00:18]} Kf7 {[%eval -192,17] [%emt 0:05:49]} 43. Qh8 {
>>>(Kg2) [%eval -126,17] [%emt 0:01:25]} Qd5 {[%eval -195,17] [%emt 0:03:29]} 44.
>>>Kg2 {[%eval -133,17] [%emt 0:02:33]} Ke7 {(Qf5) [%eval -196,16] [%emt 0:01:53]}
>>>45. Ba5 {(Qc8) [%eval -132,18] [%emt 0:02:11]} Qf5 {
>>>(Kd6) [%eval -199,16] [%emt 0:01:57]} 46. Bc7 {
>>>(Qa8) [%eval -116,17] [%emt 0:01:20]} Nf8 {(Kf7) [%eval -174,16] [%emt 0:04:09]
>>>} 47. Qg7+ {[%eval -101,17] [%emt 0:02:13]} Ke8 {[%eval -181,16] [%emt 0:01:07]
>>>} 48. Bg3 {(Bb6) [%eval -100,14] [%emt 0:00:25]} c4 {
>>>[%eval -194,16] [%emt 0:02:25]} 49. Qc7 {(Qb7) [%eval -113,15] [%emt 0:00:41]}
>>>Qb5 {[%eval -183,16] [%emt 0:02:27]} 50. Bd6 {[%eval -121,14] [%emt 0:00:36]}
>>>Nd7 {[%eval -163,17] [%emt 0:03:36]} 51. Qc8+ {
>>>(Ba3) [%eval -128,15] [%emt 0:00:25]} Kf7 {[%eval -181,7] [%emt 0:00:00]} 52.
>>>Ba3 {[%eval -118,17] [%emt 0:02:55]} Qd5 {[%eval -158,17] [%emt 0:03:09]} 53.
>>>Bb2 {(Qh8) [%eval -107,19] [%emt 0:03:25]} Qe6 {
>>>(f5) [%eval -141,16] [%emt 0:03:28]} 54. Bd4 {
>>>(Qh8) [%eval -105,18] [%emt 0:03:21]} Ke7 {(Kg7) [%eval -161,17] [%emt 0:02:22]
>>>} 55. Qa8 {(Qc7) [%eval -87,18] [%emt 0:03:46]} Kf7 {
>>>(Qf5) [%eval -143,17] [%emt 0:02:37]} 56. Qc8 {
>>>(Qh8) [%eval 0,19] [%emt 0:00:41]} Ke7 {[%eval -161,18] [%emt 0:02:29]} 57. Qa8
>>>{(Qc7) [%eval 0,19] [%emt 0:01:31]} Qf5 {[%eval -95,16] [%emt 0:04:41]} 58. Qc6
>>>{[%eval -83,17] [%emt 0:03:17]} Qf3+ {[%eval -90,17] [%emt 0:02:31]} 59. Kg1 {
>>>[%eval -81,18] [%emt 0:03:28]} Qxh3 {[%eval -92,17] [%emt 0:02:20]} 60. Qxc4 {
>>>[%eval -83,17] [%emt 0:04:35]} Qe6 {[%eval -91,16] [%emt 0:02:30]} 61. Qc3 {
>>>(Qc7) [%eval -91,19] [%emt 0:10:16]} f5 {(Qd5) [%eval -93,15] [%emt 0:03:03]}
>>>62. Qa5 {(Bh8) [%eval -91,18] [%emt 0:03:24]} Kf7 {
>>>[%eval -98,18] [%emt 0:02:33]} 63. Kh2 {(Qd8) [%eval -90,17] [%emt 0:00:48]}
>>>Kg6 {[%eval -104,14] [%emt 0:00:26]} 64. Qc7 {[%eval -110,19] [%emt 0:02:05]}
>>>Nf6 {(Kh5) [%eval -103,15] [%emt 0:01:45]} 65. Bxf6 {
>>>(Qb8) [%eval -103,16] [%emt 0:00:44]} Kxf6 {[%eval -111,18] [%emt 0:02:58]} 66.
>>>Qd8+ {(Qh7) [%eval -101,17] [%emt 0:01:06]} Kg6 {
>>>(Qe7) [%eval -105,16] [%emt 0:00:43]} 67. Kg3 {
>>>(Qb8) [%eval -96,19] [%emt 0:03:32]} f4+ {(Qe5+) [%eval -123,16] [%emt 0:02:23]
>>>} 68. exf4 {[%eval -72,14] [%emt 0:00:12]} gxf4+ {[%eval -77,16] [%emt 0:07:56]
>>>} 69. Kxf4 {[%eval -61,15] [%emt 0:00:22]} Qf5+ {[%eval -76,17] [%emt 0:01:34]}
>>>70. Ke3 {[%eval -60,16] [%emt 0:00:39]} Qf3+ {
>>>Time [%eval -70,17] [%emt 0:01:25]} 1/2-1/2
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