Author: John Merlino
Date: 09:30:26 05/15/04
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On May 15, 2004 at 10:41:37, James T. Walker wrote: >On May 14, 2004 at 21:12:12, John Merlino wrote: > >>On May 14, 2004 at 20:30:24, James T. Walker wrote: >> >>>On May 14, 2004 at 20:01:50, John Merlino wrote: >>> >>>>On May 14, 2004 at 19:19:18, Alex wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 14, 2004 at 17:16:03, John Merlino wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 14, 2004 at 15:42:13, Terry Giles wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On May 14, 2004 at 15:07:54, John Merlino wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Finally, there's something to see about the next version of Chessmaster >>>>>>>>(apparently officially called "Chessmaster 10th Edition"): >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>http://www.ubi.com/US/Games/chessmasterx_pc.htm >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>As expected (by me), the interface is entirely new, since the program is being >>>>>>>>developed by the same team that did the PS2 version. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>From what I can glean from the info on the website, it sounds like the majority >>>>>>>>of the work has gone into redesigning the UI and improving the online play. I >>>>>>>>don't see any new exciting tutorial/analysis features, other than Johan's new >>>>>>>>version of The King. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>So it sounds like they're going to sell the program based on the merits of the >>>>>>>>new interface. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I also see a hint that there is an Xbox version in the works as well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>As for an official release date, there isn't one mentioned. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Enjoy! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>jm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Thanks for the info John, sad to say that all the screenshots shown are of >>>>>>>'arty-farty' chesspieces and board combinations. I'm currently running CM9k on a >>>>>>>PII @ 400Mhz, so unless I go for a major upgrade PC wise, the CM10th anniversary >>>>>>>program will prove too demanding for my computer! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>tag >>>>>> >>>>>>Yep, the min spec says P3-450, so I don't think this will be for you. >>>>>> >>>>>>But I would definitely say it's time to upgrade, especially if you are a fan of >>>>>>computer chess! >>>>>> >>>>>>jm >>>>> Yah whatever! Look--don't get me wrong......... I am a fan. BUT! let's face >>>>>it -- the delivery in regard to online features and quality of chessmaster as >>>>>historically presented and advertised is almost criminal in my opinion! Yah -- >>>>>3d sets...I am with KURT U. on this one! I ALWAYS actually play on 2d sets! >>>>>Annnnnnnnnnnnnd........last but not least let's talk about engine.......is it >>>>>reworked or is it JUST a new "personality setting"? Alex >>>> >>>>To answer your comments: >>>> >>>>-- I almost always use the 2D sets, too. But many of the 3D sets are playable >>>>(particularly the "flat" ones) and have the advantage that they can be resized >>>>to any desired amount. >>>> >>>>-- The engine is new. It's got a new version number and everything -- just like >>>>the engine in CM9000, which tests show is anywhere between 100-150 points >>>>stronger than the previous version. Somehow I don't see that as "JUST a new >>>>'personality setting'". >>>> >>>>jm >>> >>>Somehow I don't believe the "100-150 points stronger". In the history of >>>commercial computer chess I have never seen that big of a jump in rating at one >>>time. In fact the improvements in strength lately have been almost >>>unrecognizable. I am at the point of giving up on buying more chess programs >>>and faster computers for a couple of years. My blitz test show Fritz 8 is about >>>11 points stronger than Fritz 7. Big deal. It seems that improvements in the >>>opening book make it look stronger for a while untill book learning negates the >>>new lines. Then the real improvement shows itself. Just my opinion of course. >>>Jim >> >>Well, in the SSDF list, CM8000 (K6-2 450) got a 2520, and CM9000 got exactly 200 >>points higher on an Athlon 1200MHz. Adjusting for CPU-increase with the loose >>but somewhat standard "50 points for each doubling of CPU speed" method, this >>roughly equates to about a 100-point increase. >> >>On this site, a learned person stated his belief that the engine could be >>200-300 points better (but that's way too high, IMO): >>http://www.logicalchess.com/hcc/reports/CM9000vsFritz6/cmvsfritz.html >> >>Chessfun's rating list shows a 92-point increase on the same hardware, with >>error range in the +/- mid-30s to mid-40s. >> >>The lowest estimated increase I could find is on Surak's site, which shows a >>59-point increase. >> >>Therefore, I feel pretty confident that the increase is at least 100 points, and >>150 is not out of the question. >> >>jm > >Would that be 100-150 points over the version tested by SSDF or the original >version provided commercially? Not sure what you mean. There is only one version. The SSDF obtained a copy of Chessmaster 9000 and tested with the same engine that is in the commercial program. IIRC, the SSDF tested CM8000 with the default settings (although they increased the hash table size). With CM9000, I believe the hash table size was also increased AND the selective search value was slightly increased as well. I really don't have 100% recollection about this, so you should probably ask them. jm
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