Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 17:20:28 05/17/04
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On May 17, 2004 at 11:59:21, Matthew Hull wrote: >On May 15, 2004 at 03:15:20, Amir Ban wrote: > >>On May 14, 2004 at 20:03:35, Matthew Hull wrote: >> >>>On May 14, 2004 at 18:26:54, Amir Ban wrote: >>> >>>>On May 14, 2004 at 12:32:26, Matthew Hull wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 14, 2004 at 12:16:57, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 13, 2004 at 20:17:42, Russell Reagan wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Not anyone can play. Only people who have several thousand dollars and >two >>>>weeks >>to burn can play. I don't know many people in that situation, >or at >>>>least if >>they are in that situation and participated, the locks >would be >>>>changed when >>they returned home from the trip :) >>>>>> >>>>>>FYI, travel costs and hardware are sponsored by the organisation. >>>>> >>>>>No, they are not. $2000 dollars is not sponsored by the organization, >neither >>>>the hotel, nor the paid time off for two weeks. The entire >situation is >>>>calculated to discourage American participation. The physical >format is >>>>calculated to permit cheating, as was done with the illeagal >throwing of a >>>>drawn game to the eventual "winner". It is a corrupt >establishment designed to >>>>cater to European interests, and to snub >Americans. >>>>It is therefore an irrelevant contest, just like the FIDE World >Championship is >>>>completely irrelevant. >>>>>:) >>>>> >>>>>CCT is now the venue for true WORLD comptetition, instead of just European >>>>>competition. >>>>> >>>> >>>>No it's not. I will come to CCT to experiment, if I come at all. Others >don't >>>bother to show up, and why should they ? >>> >>> >>>Right, what commercial product wants to get beat by crafty? It's bad for >>>marketing to loose to the likes of Zappa and bodo. Then people like Vincent >and >>GCP couldn't show up here slamming the professor. >>> >> >>Make up your mind: Is crafty the menace that keeps everyone important from CCT > > >Crafty is not the only "menace". There are some very capable amatuer projects, >like Zappa, Gothmog, Amateur, Searcher, and Ferret (though it has not >participated recently). How would Chessbase marketing like it if it's products >finished behind any of these? >I think you are the exception here. You don't seem to care three straws one >way or the other, although it is safer for you when you submit your entry as >"experimental". >:) > > >>or is CCT the all-inclusive tournament ? > > >More can participate because there are no economic barriers to participation. > > >> >>I don't understand why I should be scared of meeting crafty at CCT, but not >>scared of meeting it at WCCC. > > >The chances of crafty participating in ECCC are slim. > > >>Crafty's been there in previous WCCC most of the time. > > >But it was not massively scalable in those events. Now it is. Crafty has _never_ played in a WCCC (open hardware) event. It has played in 3 different WMCCC events but the hardware was originally limited to 1 cpu although I guess this has been eliminated in recent WMCCC events. They also used to have a rule that the hardware had to be "on site" as opposed to remote login, but again only for WMCCC events. Nobody ever demanded I show up with a Cray C90 at a WCCC event. :) > > > >> >> >>>:) >>> >>> >>> >>>>It's not a major event. >>> >>> >>>Nonesense. 50 programs is a huge event. Much bigger than some expensive, >>>exclusive, back-yard barbecue at the ICGA. >>> >> >>There are thousands of players at Biel, only a dozen at Wijk an Zee. So what ? >>When was the last time Kasparov, Polgar, Anand played in Biel ? > > >Programs don't have egos, neither are they affected by noise, rounds-per-day, >or any other human factor. >The view you are putting forward only serves to make what is supposed to be a >world event into an elitist event with economic barriers erected to stifle >participation from strong amatuer projects, ensuring that commercial interests >get the most out of their marketing investment. > >> >> >>>No. If they thought they could win, they would show up. Remember? ;) >>> >>>Americans don't show up in Europe because it's expensive. Commercial >European >>projects don't show up at the FREE, no-expense CCT because they are >chicken. >> >>> >>>> >>>>CCT is a bit like Biel: crowded and noisy, with a few good players. But >don't >>>mistake Biel for Wijk an Zee. >>> >>>Programs don't care how much noise there is. Just come and play. You can't >>>stand it if bodo competes with you? I thought the Championship was open to >all? >> Oh, only those who are well-off to afford $2000 travel. >>> >> >>America is not a third-world country, and the problem with your argument is >that >it works even better for real third-world countries, i.e. that Tanzanian >program >would be the world's best, if only its author could afford to write >it. > >The writer of program X has no money to fly to Israel, though his project is a >worthy participant. But freely available technology exists that would allow >all such programmers to enter the event. >Why is this not done? There is no excuse for it not being done. CCT has >proven that it can work. >All you are offering for an explanation is elitism. > > >> >> >>>How inclusive. >>> >>>:) >>> >>>> >>>>Which reminds me that no major chess tournament takes place in the USA >nowadays. >>>All the major tournaments are in Europe, but I don't hear you >saying that >>>Kaidanov and Stripunsky are the world's best. >>> >>> >>>Many Nations have easy access to Europe. America is not easy or cheap for >>>Europeans to access. It's simple economics. >>> >> >>"Easy access" ? Is this a geographical fact I didn't know ? >> >>Anyway, this must be the reason your major universities Harvard, Stanford, >Yale >etc. are intellectual backwaters without foreign students, who all go to >>European universities. Not. >> >>Amir >> >> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>Amir
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