Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 02:25:40 05/18/04
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On May 17, 2004 at 17:39:30, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On May 17, 2004 at 14:33:29, Vincent Lejeune wrote: > >>On May 17, 2004 at 13:56:43, Gerd Isenberg wrote: >> >>>On May 17, 2004 at 11:25:15, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On May 17, 2004 at 05:13:03, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 17, 2004 at 00:32:18, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 15, 2004 at 03:15:20, Amir Ban wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On May 14, 2004 at 20:03:35, Matthew Hull wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On May 14, 2004 at 18:26:54, Amir Ban wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On May 14, 2004 at 12:32:26, Matthew Hull wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On May 14, 2004 at 12:16:57, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On May 13, 2004 at 20:17:42, Russell Reagan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Not anyone can play. Only people who have several thousand dollars and two >>>>>>>>>>weeks >>to burn can play. I don't know many people in that situation, or at >>>>>>>>>>least if >>they are in that situation and participated, the locks would be >>>>>>>>>>changed when >>they returned home from the trip :) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>FYI, travel costs and hardware are sponsored by the organisation. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>No, they are not. $2000 dollars is not sponsored by the organization, neither >>>>>>>>>>the hotel, nor the paid time off for two weeks. The entire situation is >>>>>>>>>>calculated to discourage American participation. The physical format is >>>>>>>>>>calculated to permit cheating, as was done with the illeagal throwing of a >>>>>>>>>>drawn game to the eventual "winner". It is a corrupt establishment designed to >>>>>>>>>>cater to European interests, and to snub Americans. >>>>>>>>>>It is therefore an irrelevant contest, just like the FIDE World Championship is >>>>>>>>>>completely irrelevant. >>>>>>>>>>:) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>CCT is now the venue for true WORLD comptetition, instead of just European >>>>>>>>>>competition. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>No it's not. I will come to CCT to experiment, if I come at all. Others don't >>>>>>>>>bother to show up, and why should they ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Right, what commercial product wants to get beat by crafty? It's bad for >>>>>>>>marketing to loose to the likes of Zappa and bodo. Then people like Vincent and >>>>>>>>GCP couldn't show up here slamming the professor. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Make up your mind: Is crafty the menace that keeps everyone important from CCT >>>>>>>or is CCT the all-inclusive tournament ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I don't understand why I should be scared of meeting crafty at CCT, but not >>>>>>>scared of meeting it at WCCC. Crafty's been there in previous WCCC most of the >>>>>>>time. >>>>>> >>>>>>I remember 1996/1997. And maybe one other event. That's 3 out of 10 maybe... >>>>>> >>>>>>I don't believe the "scared" stuff. I'm not "scared" to play anybody. Heck, I >>>>>>played Deep Thought, Belle, chess 4.x... That was part of the process. I doubt >>>>>>any commercial programmer would be "scared". "worried" might well apply as >>>>>>there are serious hardware platforms that can serve like the old Colt .45 >>>>>>revolver of the wild-wild west. Often called "the great equalizer". :) >>>>>> >>>>>>I don't attend for simple reasons. >>>>>> >>>>>>1. Too expensive to travel to Europe every year. If it were in NA every other >>>>>>year as the charter once demanded, I could at least make those as I always did >>>>>>in the past, and occasionally make the ones in Europe. >>>>>> >>>>>>2. Too long. For the first 25 years these events were 5 rounds and 4 days >>>>>>long. Now they stretch to two weeks. My only choice would be to make that a >>>>>>family vacation, and it would have to be scheduled during two breaks that might >>>>>>possibly be long enough for me to attend. But I don't see the ICCA (or anyone) >>>>>>trying to work around one participant's schedule, it doesn't make much sense. >>>>>>It would be easier to just shorten the event. Worst case could be 5 days, 2 >>>>>>rounds per day, although that still turns into a week with travel days required >>>>>>for international travel. >>>>>> >>>>>>3. Getting a local operator is a non-optimal solution. I can't do any book >>>>>>updates. >>>>> >>>>>I do not understand why you cannot do it. >>>>>What is the problem to tell the operator to do the exact things that you could >>>>>do in case of going to Israel? >>>>> >>>>>Cannot you talk with the operator by email or by telephone during the >>>>>tournament? >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>> >>>> >>>>Telephone really doesn't help. Can I dictate a couple of hundred chess moves >>>>over the phone with any reliability? Probably not. >>>> >>>>At the 1996 WMCCC event Crafty played in, we could not get _any_ information >>>>about the pairings, the results of each round. I mean _nothing_. Ditto at the >>>>1997 WMCCC in Paris. No internet access there or anything. >>>> >>>>That is not always the case, but it is the case often enough to make it a >>>>problem... >>>> >>>>I have a pretty long "tournament preparation" document I wrote up for operators >>>>of Crafty in the past. But it can't cover everything. Particularly trying to >>>>update the book if something goes wrong... >>> >>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?365165 >>> >>>What is wrong with playing remote and looking for an operator on site? >>>Maybe with some webcam you may participate personally as well ;-) >>>I guess todays internet connection is no major problem between Israel and US, >>>specially between universities. The early registration deadline was extended >>>until June 1. IMHO it would be very nice and interesting if Crafty would >>>participate that way with a huge opteron box! >> >> >>Yes !!! It would be very amazing to see a free-open-source program winning the >>WCCC ! >> >> > >That is a _big_ stretch to see Crafty winning. It would have very good chances >against _any_ program. But the overall odds of anybody winning are very >small... It has some draw chances against several, but that's about it. Like if i come out of book 2 pawns down against crafty i might draw it. If i get out of book 1 pawn down i still might win. See for example crafty-junior world champs 2001. Junior pawn down played some attacking moves. Dang there was crafty gone. Zero win chances for crafty of course. >>> >>>Cheers, >>>Gerd
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