Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 12:12:33 05/18/04
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On May 18, 2004 at 14:53:36, Anthony Cozzie wrote: >On May 18, 2004 at 14:16:37, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On May 18, 2004 at 13:43:38, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >> >>>On May 18, 2004 at 13:28:43, Matthew Hull wrote: >>> >>>>On May 18, 2004 at 13:21:15, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 18, 2004 at 13:07:26, José Carlos wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 18, 2004 at 12:58:33, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On May 18, 2004 at 12:55:25, José Carlos wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On May 18, 2004 at 09:16:34, Omid David Tabibi wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On May 17, 2004 at 05:48:45, Richard Pijl wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>There are thousands of players at Biel, only a dozen at Wijk an Zee. So >>>>what ? >>>>>>>When was the last time Kasparov, Polgar, Anand played in Biel ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>There are also thousands of (well, at least more than a thousand) players >>>>at >>>>>>Wijk aan Zee. >>>>>>>>>>Besides the three grandmaster groups there are several other tournaments. >>>>>>>>>>See http://www.coruschess.com/ for more info on those (click >>>>information-general >>>>>>information). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>In Linares there are usually about half a dozen players only. And it is >>>>usually >>>>>considered the most important tournament. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No it isn't. The most important tournament has always been the world >>>>champs >>>>where players from all over the world and all levels can >>>>participate, in zonals, >>>>interzonals etc. If you are strong enough you can >>>>get to play the world champion >>>>if you pass the previous contests. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>And you must attend in person for the world championship; you don't play >>>>over >>>the internet... >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, I'm not a program, just a person. But maybe someday someone will >>>>invent a >>way to connect directly my brain to a chess server so that I can run >>>>automated >>with a fixed protocol. >>>>> >>>>>That technology is already available, it is called PlayChess, Internet Chess >>>>>Club, FICS, etc. But it is not used in serious events, and surely not in world >>>>>championships. >>>> >>>> >>>>What makes playing a computer move manually more serious than the program >>>>playing automaticlly? >>> >>>What makes playing a human move physically more serious than playing it on an >>>internet interface? If nothing, then why isn't the world chess championship >>>played over the internet? >>> >> >>Your failure to answer is very revealing. >> >>First your answer is stupid. Computers don't need a human to move the pieces. >> >>Seconds, your answer is blind. The internet is coming to human events. >> >>Third, it shows the depth of ineptness at the ICGA. In 10 years they will >>_still_ be using manual play, 5 years after the WC for humans is done on the >>internet. Or at least all but the finals are done. >> >>I think it funny that the "International COMPUTER games association" is going to >>be the last to use computers to interface and manage the programs. That is >>simply incredibly funny. Even a local network and a local FICS server to >>eliminate all the human problems would be a _big_ first step. Can't be done? >>CCT did it. Maybe the name should be International Manual Computer Games >>association instead? >> >>Bows and arrows are history. >> >>But this is all apparently wasted discussion. Nothing there is going to change. >> >>I'll end with directing you to a physics book and "The law of entropy". It >>applies here. And things are _not_ getting better. The alternative is what is >>happening. Yearly... > > >I am definitely for in-person events. There is just a different feel to them >Automated, but in person. That way all the programmers just walk around and >chat rather than having to worry about getting back to the machine to make >moves. For me, 1 week and 1000$ expenses is doable (maybe not every year, but >some of the time at least I would go). 2 weeks and 2500$ expenses is just too I think even one week is too long. But if the event were automated, you could play 5 rounds per day and do a 3-day 15 round event. Humans can walk in or out as they choose, with all the work being automated... At the ACM events we actually had computer chess paper sessions, computer chess panel discussions, computer chess exhibitions (IE IM Mike Valvo playing a group of programs "blindfolded") etc. Ken Thompson and I wanted, for years, to have an automated play facility and we worked out how to do it (using serial ports) and could even demonstrate it, but the commercial entries fought it vigorously as too much work for just one event, too hard to do, myu dedicated hardware doesn't have a serial port, etc... 1 week and $1000 is tough if it is an overseas trip. Probably double or triple that at least. The problem right now is that it costs that much _every_ year, which stifles not fosters computer chess participation... >much. > >anthony
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