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Subject: Re: Computer-Chess Club as a Pay for use - OPINION POLL QUESTION

Author: Micheal Cummings

Date: 05:32:47 12/18/98

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On December 18, 1998 at 05:26:35, Ralph E. Carter wrote:

>On December 18, 1998 at 04:45:31, Timothy J. Frohlick wrote:
>
>>It appears that the quality of posts has gone way down since this service
>>provided by ICD/Your Move has become a free for all chess chat center. People
>>are using it as they would ICQ or other communication networks.  While not
>>devoid of conflict before the change, this service formerly known as "Computer
>>Chess Reports" has devolved into a pissing contest.
>
>The alternative is to be dependent upon a small number of reviewers. CCR was
>never voluminous enough to cover all of the issues we discuss.
>Just like political discussions in real life, it is necessary to sort through it
>all to make your own judgements. In most countries now, it is recognized that
>this outwardly chaotic process is best for finding the truth.
>
>>
>>I propose that those who are interested in receiving a "quality" computer chess
>>journal
>
>Reviews similar in quality to those published in CCR are posted in the Computer
>Chess Resource Center.
>
> should consider putting the question to Steve Schwartz.  Would a $15 to
>>$20/yr charge be too much to ask for quality reviews?
>
>No. But noone will buy, if they are freely available elsewhere. If CCC started
>charging, someone else would open a free club. Furthermore, I can make my own
>quality reviews.
>
>>Those who are offended by this idea can still talk on RGCC or RGCM for nothing.
>
>And many would go elsewhere, which defeats the purpose of this group.
>A main motivation for providing CCC is just to keep people talking, and to keep
>them thinking, about chess software. People who keep talking and thinking soon
>want to buy.
>
>Finally, argumentation about chess software is a hobby in itself. Those who are
>offended by this idea can still visit the CCRC for nothing.

You want to make this pay for use, I suggest you add that as a question in the
next opinion poll and you will then get a clear view of how many people you
would have left if that happens, if you do, then I will not be here, because I
willnot pay to post here. I mean in is interesting and great to read and hear
results and ideas for computer chess, but I would not pay for doing it.

The computer chess recsource centre I have only read a few articles in there,
though they are informative. Very few I have interest in, and even less I would
pay to read. The links page you can get more links through gambitsoft and many
other sites. I have never looked through the achives.

Only the posting and reading the reports page, which are great, but if it came
down to it, I would not pay to use, I would just not come here anymore. And I
think many others would not either, thats why we should have it as an opinion
poll question, then you can get a clear idea of how many people you would be
left with.

Moderation is the key. Maybe strick moderation, anything that is a personal
insult and something which is not related to computer chess could be taken off
from the posts.

Personal opinions on computer chess issues are fine, but not full insults, Like
CM6K is a toy because it lacks one feature, the same point could have been put
across without the use of the word toy which makes it degrading. And this is the
same for many other posts.

Moderation is the key here, A point can be put across without throwing in a
little insult to add to the point, that is what lowers this place. So just
remove any offending posts one they have been noticed by a moderator.




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