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Subject: Re: Impressive position! Too easy for computers....

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 20:44:10 05/21/04

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On May 21, 2004 at 22:12:00, Uri Blass wrote:

>On May 21, 2004 at 20:30:53, Dann Corbit wrote:
>
>>On May 21, 2004 at 20:25:04, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On May 21, 2004 at 20:17:21, Mike Byrne wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 21, 2004 at 19:32:33, George Tsavdaris wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Black threatens mate and white's Queen. What white should play?
>>>>>Give it's Queen of course!  Qf4!! and white is winning.
>>>>>
>>>>> Impressive for humans but not for computers, as any chess engine can solve
>>>>>this in seconds....
>>>>>
>>>>>[D]1kbr3r/pp6/8/P1n2ppq/2N3n1/R3Q1P1/3B1P2/2R2BK1 w - - 0 1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Black(1): mt 2
>>>>max threads set to 2
>>>>Black(1): 1kbr3r/pp6/8/P1n2ppq/2N3n1/R3Q1P1/3B1P2/2R2BK1 w - - 0 1
>>>>White(1): go
>>>>              clearing hash tables
>>>>              time surplus  29.92  time limit 1666:39 (1666:39)
>>>>              depth   time  score   variation (1)
>>>>starting thread 1
>>>>                1     0.00   2.84   1. Qxc5
>>>>                1->   0.00   2.84   1. Qxc5
>>>>                2     0.00     -1   1. Qxc5
>>>>                2     0.00 -Mat01   1. Qxc5 Qh1#
>>>>                2     0.00  -9.26   1. Qe5+ Nxe5 2. Nxe5 Rxd2 3. Rxc5
>>>>                2     0.02  -8.25   1. Bg2 Nxe3 2. Rxe3
>>>>                2->   0.02  -8.25   1. Bg2 Nxe3 2. Rxe3
>>>>                3     0.02  -8.25   1. Bg2 Nxe3 2. Rxe3
>>>>                3->   0.04  -8.25   1. Bg2 Nxe3 2. Rxe3
>>>>                4     0.04  -8.62   1. Bg2 Nxe3 2. Rxe3 Qh2+ 3. Kf1 Nd3
>>>>                4->   0.05  -8.62   1. Bg2 Nxe3 2. Rxe3 Qh2+ 3. Kf1 Nd3
>>>>                5     0.07  -8.58   1. Bg2 Nxe3 2. Rxe3 Nd3 3. Rc2
>>>>                5     0.07  -8.29   1. Qf4+ gxf4 2. Bxf4+ Ka8 3. Nb6+ axb6
>>>>                                    4. axb6+ Na6 5. Rxc8+ Rxc8 6. Rxa6+
>>>>                                    bxa6 7. Bg2+ Rc6 8. Bxc6#
>>>>                5->   0.08  -8.29   1. Qf4+ gxf4 2. Bxf4+ Ka8 3. Nb6+ axb6
>>>>                                    4. axb6+ Na6 5. Rxc8+ Rxc8 6. Rxa6+
>>>>                                    bxa6 7. Bg2+ Rc6 8. Bxc6# (s=9)
>>>
>>>
>>>What is this?
>>>Crafty evaluates mate as -8.29 pawns?
>>>
>>>Movei always evaluates mate as Mate-ply when ply is the number of plies from the
>>>root position.
>>
>>Crafty has not resolved the mate yet.  Crafty is sure of a win (at +8 pawns, it
>>is almost impossible to lose).  But a 5 ply search with 8 hundredths of a second
>>has not determined for a certainty that there is no alternative to checkmate.
>>
>>It is also possible to see a pv with a # in it that is not a checkmate at all.
>>So that knife cuts both ways.
>
>no
>8.29 at depth 5 is for black when the mate is for white.

You are right.  It took 1/2 second at ply 8 to see the mate in 11:

                8     0.54  Mat11   1. Qf4+ gxf4 2. Bxf4+ Ne5 3. Bxe5+
                                    Rd6 4. Bxd6+ Ka8 5. Nb6+ axb6 6. axb6+
                                    Na6 7. Rxc8+ Rxc8 8. Rxa6+ bxa6 9.
                                    Bg2+ Qf3 10. Bxf3+ Rc6 11. Bxc6#



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