Author: James Swafford
Date: 10:35:40 05/24/04
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On May 24, 2004 at 13:29:21, Matthew Hull wrote: >On May 24, 2004 at 13:20:54, Slater Wold wrote: > >>On May 24, 2004 at 13:19:36, Djordje Vidanovic wrote: >> >>>On May 24, 2004 at 12:56:56, Slater Wold wrote: >>> >>>>On May 24, 2004 at 12:29:04, Russell Reagan wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 24, 2004 at 12:06:46, Slater Wold wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In a thread below, there is a post about Blargh, ICCs top computer. It >has won >>>>>60% of its games at standard time controls, and only lost 16% in >almost 3,000 >>>>>games! >>>>>> >>>>>>I am interested to know the OoO (opinion of outcome) of EVERYONE at the >>>>>>following experiment, I will be in contact with the operator of Blargh, >and will >>>>>try to set this up. >>>>>> >>>>>>Crafty 19.13 on an AMD FX53 (64-bit) vs Shredder 8 on a Dual Opteron >2.2Ghz >>>>>(32-bit) >>>>>> >>>>>>10 game match. 120/0. >>>>>> >>>>>>Opinions? >>>>> >>>>>Crafty on equal hardware probably doesn't stand a realistic chance against >>>>>Shredder. Only Fritz scores at least 45% against Shredder on the latest >SSDF. >>>>Junior and Hiarcs score at least 40%. Crafty would be behind those >engines on >>>>equal hardware by a non-trivial margin (take the Junior-Crafty >10x experiment >>>>for example). >>>> >>>>OoO please... >>>> >>>>>What is interesting about a Shredder-Crafty match where Crafty is at a >hardware >>>>_disadvantage_? >>>>> >>>>>BTW, that really explains a lot about why he is #1 on ICC. You have a >freakin' >>>>FX53 and you're at a hardware disadvantage! Wow... >>>> >>>>It's a disadvantage, but a small one. How small? >>>> >>>>Crafty on a 2.2Ghz Opteron in 32-bit gets about 1.5M NPS. With a 1.89 >speedup, >>>we get 2.8M nps. My FX53 (64-bit) will do 2.6M. It's at a 8% HW >disadvantage. >>> >>>>8% means nothing in a 120/0 game. >>> >>> >>>I don't really think that Shredder vs Crafty would cause too many divergent >>>opinions re OoO... I'd rather suggest you invited another engine for a match: >>>Diep. That would probably be closely followed by about one half of this >forum >>and the final result would reverberate loudly in the months to come >:-). > >>Vincent isn't going to let anyone run a current version of Diep against >Crafty. >We all know that... > > >DIEP played two standard games against crafty yesterday on ICC with Vincent >himself presiding (and pontificating). DIEP lost them both. I was wondering how long it would take for that information to make it onto CCC. Took longer than I thought. :) -- James
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