Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 17:25:55 05/24/04
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On May 24, 2004 at 15:51:42, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >On May 24, 2004 at 15:17:22, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On May 24, 2004 at 15:12:43, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On May 24, 2004 at 14:37:06, Slater Wold wrote: >>> >>>>On May 24, 2004 at 14:32:38, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 24, 2004 at 14:09:56, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 24, 2004 at 12:56:56, Slater Wold wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On May 24, 2004 at 12:29:04, Russell Reagan wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On May 24, 2004 at 12:06:46, Slater Wold wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>In a thread below, there is a post about Blargh, ICCs top computer. It has won >>>>>>>>>60% of its games at standard time controls, and only lost 16% in almost 3,000 >>>>>>>>>games! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I am interested to know the OoO (opinion of outcome) of EVERYONE at the >>>>>>>>>following experiment, I will be in contact with the operator of Blargh, and will >>>>>>>>>try to set this up. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Crafty 19.13 on an AMD FX53 (64-bit) vs Shredder 8 on a Dual Opteron 2.2Ghz >>>>>>>>>(32-bit) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>10 game match. 120/0. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Opinions? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Crafty on equal hardware probably doesn't stand a realistic chance against >>>>>>>>Shredder. Only Fritz scores at least 45% against Shredder on the latest SSDF. >>>>>>>>Junior and Hiarcs score at least 40%. Crafty would be behind those engines on >>>>>>>>equal hardware by a non-trivial margin (take the Junior-Crafty 10x experiment >>>>>>>>for example). >>>>>>> >>>>>>>OoO please... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>What is interesting about a Shredder-Crafty match where Crafty is at a hardware >>>>>>>>_disadvantage_? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>BTW, that really explains a lot about why he is #1 on ICC. You have a freakin' >>>>>>>>FX53 and you're at a hardware disadvantage! Wow... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>It's a disadvantage, but a small one. How small? >>>>>> >>>>>>It is at least 2x disadvantage. >>>>>> >>>>>>You did notice that box is a _dual_??? >>>>>> >>>>>>Shredder has an SMP version which I would assume he is using... >>>>> >>>>>Comeon you need to be NUMA to run well on a dual opteron in 32 bits. Shredder is >>>>>SMP and has not released a 64 bits executable yet for xp64. >>>> >>>>A point not everyone is getting, obviously... >>>> >>>>>Equal hardware SSDF shredder8-crafty : 43.5 - 3.5 >>>> >>>>I was going to look that up later, thanks! >>> >>> >>>I looked at the ssdf site >>> >>>http://w1.859.telia.com/~u85924109/ssdf/rlwww042.txt >>> >>> >>> 2 Shredder 7.04 UCI 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz, 2809 >>>Shredd8 A1200 18-19 DpFrit8 A1200 21.5-19.5 Fritz 8 A1200 22-18 >>>DpJuni8 A1200 28-22 Hiarcs9 A1200 22.5-19.5 Fritz 7 A1200 24-16 >>>CM9000 A1200 24-17 CT 15.0 A1200 30-10 Junior7 A1200 24.5-17.5 >>>Hiarcs8 A1200 29.5-14.5 Ruffia1 A1200 28-14 DSje1.5 A1200 28.5-11.5 >>>CT14 CB K6450 32-13 Junior7 K6450 33-13 Ch.Ti12 K6450 35-7 >>>Junior6 K6450 31.5-8.5 Shred5 K6-450 32-6 Frit532 K6450 32.5-7.5 >>>Hiar732 K6450 31-5 SOS K6-2 450 43-5 Goliath K6450 39.5-4.5 >>>Fritz532 P200 37.5-4.5 Craf18.12 K62 43.5-3.5 >>> >>> >>> >>>You can see that shredder7.04(A1200) got 43.5-3.5 against Crafty18.12(K6-2 450) >>> >>>If we assume that >>>7.04=8 and that A1200 is equal to K6-2 450 and that latest crafty is equal to >>>Crafty18.12 then it is clear that Vincent is 100% correct. >>> >>> >>>Uri >> >> >>Nothing like a little sarcasm to start the day. :) > > 65 Crafty 18.12/CB 128MB K6-2 450 MHz, 2483 >Shr7.04 A1200 3.5-43.5 DpFrit8 A1200 3.5-24.5 DpFrit7 A1200 6-38 >Fritz 8 A1200 7.5-37.5 Shred6P A1200 7-36 DpFritz K6450 6.5-33.5 >Junior7 K6450 15-31 Fritz 7 K6-2 9-31 Nimzo 8 K6450 14-26 >Gandalf5 K6-2 10-20 Hiar732 K6450 1-2 Gan432h K6450 22-24 >Fritz532 P200 27.5-18.5 Hiar732 P200X 19-23 Junior5 P200X 5.5-5.5 >Shre3 P200MMX 26.5-13.5 > > >No, read the list carefully. It is not a sarcasm. :))))) Please re-read everything _carefully_. An a1200 is _not_ the same as a K6450 that Crafty was running on. That is at least a 3x time handicap. See what is wrong with your reasoning now? Uri was being sarcastic in that Vincent always assumes all sorts of nonsensical things... such as the above was "equal hardware"...
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