Author: Dan Honeycutt
Date: 20:49:40 06/11/04
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On June 11, 2004 at 07:59:05, Anthony Cozzie wrote: >On June 10, 2004 at 22:27:57, Andrew Wagner wrote: > >>On June 10, 2004 at 22:26:19, Andrew Wagner wrote: >> >>>On June 10, 2004 at 21:01:00, Anthony Cozzie wrote: >>> >>>>I am going to summarize my viewpoint here, and leave it at that. Ultimately it >>>>is your format, so you can do whatever you want with it. I am just trying to >>>>give you some advice. >>>> >>>>You have 3 options: SAN, Coordinate, and Long SAN >>>> >>>>SAN Advantages: Easy for humans to read >>>>SAN Disadvantages: Relatively difficult to parse. See epd.c. >>>> >>>>Coordinate Advantages: Easy to parse (1 line). >>>>Coordinate Disadvantage: Difficult for humans to read >>>> >>>>Long SAN Advantages: Pretty easy for humans to understand >>>> Easy to parse (1 line) >>>>Long SAN Disadvantages: 2 extra characters over coordinate. >>>> >>>>You and Russel say that no one is supposed to be reading these files. I say why >>>>go out of your way to make it hard? Why throw away something that you can get >>>>for free? I can think of any number of scenarios where it would be useful to >>>>look in the file. For example, Zappa makes a questionable move, so I go back >>>>and grep for the move. Then I can read score, ply, PV, etc. I don't know about >>>>you, but I can follow at least 8-10 ply of a PV if it is SAN. >>>> >>>>I simply do not see any advantage to coordinate notation over long SAN. Let me >>>>make this clear: coordinate is not easier to parse for computers, but it is much >>>>more difficult for humans to understand. The *only* advantage of coordinate >>>>notation that you save 2 bytes. Coordinate is not too bad when you have the >>>>board in front of you, but when you are recalling something from memory it is >>>>much worse. >>>> >>>>The (obvious) international solution is simply to allow any piece type. You are >>>>free to write Xf3xe5 Vd6-d5 or any other random characters you like. The piece >>>>letter is for the human. The only issue is the promotion type, but you'll have >>>>to worry about that anyway for coordinate notation. >>>> >>>>What it comes down to is this: is there _any_ point where coordinate is better >>>>than Long SAN? >>>> >>>>anthony >>> >>>Good summary. You make some excellent points, and I'm beginning to favor your >>>viewpoint a bit more now. >> >>Hmm, as soon as I hit submit on that last post, I had another thought. Your >>obvious international solution doesn't cover promotions. What are you suggesting >>with respect to that? > > >Actually my obvious internalization solution is Dan Honeycutt's obvious solution >:) He suggested using 1-5, e.g. e7-e8=2 for a Knight promotion. 99% of >promotions are to queen, so its not really that important for readability. > >anthony 1 to 4 actually, but I've changed my mind. I think we should do the promotions in Hebrew. Uri can help anybody who has trouble. Dan H.
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