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Subject: Re: Komputer Korner's answer to 3 US masters on how they train at Chess

Author: Christopher R. Dorr

Date: 06:30:58 12/22/98

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On December 22, 1998 at 02:43:43, Komputer Korner wrote:

>On December 21, 1998 at 06:44:58, blass uri wrote:
>
>>
>>On December 21, 1998 at 03:41:00, Komputer Korner wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I can't believe that 3 US masters are arguing against going over their games
>>>move by move when the whole chess world DOES this. Sure CM6000 can be used to
>>>play against and does have auto annotate, but are 3 US masters arguing that it
>>>is not necessary to go over their games move by move? If they think that just
>>>because they now have a computer to play against , that is enough ;they are
>>>sadly mistaken.  Every chess player worth his salt looks at his games in post
>>>mortem. This happened before computers came along and it happens with them. So
>>>we now have the ridiculous situation that 3 US masters say that it is not
>>>necessary to do this. They say that All you have to do is play against a chess
>>>engine and use it's auto annotate overnight and that is all you need the
>>>computer for to improve. So they say no need to go over your games move by move.
>>
>>They did not say that playing is alll that you have to do.
>>They only said that it is one of the things that can help you
>>
>>You can also use chessmaster6000  to go over your games move by move.
>>It is less convenient to do it but if you give the computer at least some
>>minutes for every move then it is not an important disadvantage (If you give it
>>only some seconds per move then I agree that it is better to use other programs
>>also because of the fact that chessmaster is not very good at blitz)
>>
>>The fact that you can change personalities is an important advantage of
>>chessmaster6000
>>If you want to learn an opening that you prepare against your opponent and you
>>know that you understand a positional idea that the computer does not
>>understand.
>>
>>If you use fritz5 then you cannot make the program understand the position so
>>you cannot learn much from playing against it.
>>
>>If you use chessmaster then you can change parameters and make the computer
>>understand the position.
>>
>>This is the reason that I believe that chessmaster6000 is one of the most
>>important programs for grandmasters.
>>
>>I am not close to be a grandmaster and I think that it is interesting to ask
>>grandmasters about it.
>>
>>Maybe they did not think about using the computer in this way and this is the
>>reason that they do not use chessmaster6000.
>>
>>>They say no need to use the computer in player player mode with engine PVs
>>>showing on screen. They say that the whole historical practice of players
>>>looking at their games after it is finished by taking back moves and moving
>>>forward can be thrown out the window.
>>
>>They did not say that the whole historical practice of players looking at their
>>games after it is finished by taking back moves and moving forword can be thrown
>>out the window.
>>
>>Uri
>
>This changing personality thing is interesting. However you are never sure that
>the program will understand any position. However I must admit it has merit if
>only  that it substitutes for buying a lot of other engines. However the
>argument is still 1) move by move analysis of one's own games vs 2) tactical
>puzzle solving and looking at GM games
>
>Chris Dorr and 3 other masters seem to be saying that 2 is more important than
>1. How important merely playing is can be seen by many who never improve their
>whole lives so clearly only playing is not the most important way to improve. So
>it comes down to 1 vs 2. I say 1 is more important and Chris says 2 is more
>important.  I agree that looking at GM games is important but we don't need a
>chess  engine to do that. It may be that both ways are equally valid. We need
>more opinions  from other masters.
>--
>Komputer Korner

Actually, the more I think about it, the more I think that a synthesis of 1 and
2 may be the best course. I write my self-annotations on the computer, sometimes
with a board set up next to the machine as well. Within the context of doing
that, your method of stepping back and forth appears to me to be analogous to
using a thesaurus and spellchecker when writing with a word processor. I still
feel that the overal 'course' of the game is vital, but within the context of
exploring this 'course' perhaps thes chess 'spell-checker' may be able to assist
me.

I'm going to try a little experiment this weekend. I've not done this before,
and I'm hoping that it will improve my efficiency. I'm going to do a
self-annotation of one of my tournament games, and use Fritz5 instead of CDB
(which I usually use), and keep the analysis window active. Hopefully, this will
alert me to possibilities *while* I am doing the self-analysis. I am a little
concerned that it will remove some of the work from me (this workout is
obviously what I am going for), but I'd just like to see if the benefits
outweigh the downsides.


I'll keep you posted. Very interesting thread  :)


Chris Dorr
USCF Life Master



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