Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 17:01:14 07/06/04
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On July 06, 2004 at 19:51:46, Dann Corbit wrote: >On July 06, 2004 at 19:26:15, Rolf Tueschen wrote: > >>On July 06, 2004 at 19:17:22, Dan Honeycutt wrote: >> >>>On July 06, 2004 at 18:51:03, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >>> >>>>On July 06, 2004 at 18:46:10, James T. Walker wrote: >>>> >>>>>On July 06, 2004 at 18:43:21, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On July 06, 2004 at 18:36:43, James T. Walker wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On July 06, 2004 at 18:15:53, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On July 06, 2004 at 18:06:06, Amir Ban wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On July 06, 2004 at 17:41:05, Dieter Buerssner wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Amir, congratulations for the nice game! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>I have not seen any info about the hardware beeing used by Junior at the current >>>>>>>>>>WCCC. Please tell it to the observers! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>With best regards, >>>>>>>>>>Dieter >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>It's an HP Proliant server. This is all HP is allowing me to say :( >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Amir >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>And this is allowed in accordance with the ICGA rules?? - Mhhhh. Strange. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Why not? Since there is no limit on hardware someone could show up with the >>>>>>>worlds fastest computer and it makes no difference. I would be interested in >>>>>>>the NPS Junior is hitting. While analyzing the game Diep-Junior I saw Junior 8 >>>>>>>hit over 1.6M nps on my XP2400. Bob says he is hitting 8M minimum! >>>>>>>Jim >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>So it would be possible that I am connected with the strongest computer in >>>>>>Japan, the second strongest was just bought by the university of >>>>>>BadenWürtemberg, and my fictive Rorybest is completely ok within the rules??? >>>>>>Fine! Thanks. >>>>> >>>>>If you can write a chess program to take advantage of it's speed I would surely >>>>>love to see it play chess. >>>> >>>>Ok, thanks, although I don't know exactly what this means or what it takes, at >>>>least I can understand that there is no automatical stronger output. Anyway it'a >>>>also a gambler motif I can see here. It's the typical trick we can expect, when >>>>Amir begins to play out his different personality joker in the last rounds - >>>>then you can no longer "prepare" or hope that your counter-tuning has success. >>>>Ok, all from a lay's heart. :) >>> >>> >>>So? More power to Amir. >>>Dan H. >> >>I didn't expect that I had to explain what fair play means in sports. It's that >>at least you know in advance what opponents you have. Or if one is a spider or a >>flying eagle. I mean, I must know how I must tune my own baby. If I have a >>chance to equalize the hardware or if I'm so far backwards that it could be >>better to remain in my observer's hut. >> >>Or the other way round: what can I win if I win on the base of my unknown >>hardware advantages? Or the claim of a possible advantage...? Even in boxing >>super heavy weight, where you can have a weight you prefer, everybody can see >>your body as soon as you appear in the ring. > >This is not a uniform platform event. The title of this contest is computer >chess world champion, and Deep Blue could enter, despite a titanic hardware >advantage. If you want to find what program works best on a certain piece of >harware, then SSDF is a much better choice for you anyway. With any contest of >under 30 matches against each opponent, the uncertainty of who really is >stronger is simply enormous. We proclaim a champion here. It is like a soccer >match or a basketball game. Chances are above average that the strongest >combination of hardware and software wins. That is all. Yes, I knew that. What I didn't know was that you must not tell what hardware you are using during the event. >If all the contestants >were of equal strength, then it would be a pure coin toss who wins. How can this be? I thought that the better chess would decide. What is human chess? You have always games between almost equally strong. Then personality decides too. I thought that chess programs had different "styles". >If most of >the top contestants are of similar strength, then there is a huge uncertainty as >to which program really is stronger. If one program is several hundred Elo >better, we would see it quickly. I knew that. But if we are holding a soccer-like tournament why should we hide the hardware? That different hardware is allowed doesn't mean that we could also hide it... > >>No, I don't buy that this here is fair. Also, that HP forbids to say must be a >>joke, because a company wants PR. > >Suppose it takes 3rd place? Will they want the exact hardware disclosed? It is >obvious, like the Fritz entries called "Quest" or something like that. If it >loses, then "Quest" lost. If it wins, then "Fritz" wins. Thanks for that clarification. I must admit that I was too naive to think about it. Thanks Dann and also thanks that you at least didn't see me "hurling" [Honeycutt] and doing such things with my poor English. :)
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