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Subject: Re: How about open weaponry boxing championship?

Author: Sean Empey

Date: 09:39:15 07/14/04

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On July 14, 2004 at 12:30:13, Omid David Tabibi wrote:

>On July 14, 2004 at 12:19:46, Sean Empey wrote:
>
>>On July 14, 2004 at 12:11:31, Omid David Tabibi wrote:
>>
>>>On July 14, 2004 at 12:06:35, José Carlos wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 14, 2004 at 11:41:04, Omid David Tabibi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On July 14, 2004 at 11:38:31, Peter Berger wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On July 14, 2004 at 11:26:47, Omid David Tabibi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On July 14, 2004 at 11:12:14, Fernando Villegas wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Not at all, Omid
>>>>>>>>If you already have a parallel engine you should run it into a hardware capable
>>>>>>>>of getting all its power.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I understand that you are going to provide the hardware, right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It is not something personal; next year I will have the needed hardware, but
>>>>>>>what about others? Deep Sjeng and ParSOS were also parallel engines, but ran on
>>>>>>>single processor not because they thought it was better, but because they did
>>>>>>>not have access to a fast multiprocessor machine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I wonder what except the results changed from two weeks ago to now to make you
>>>>>>imply this is an unfair event and go on raving about it ?!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Weren't you even one of the organizers?
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, and I complained loudly about it even before the event.
>>>>
>>>>  It doesn't make sense to organize something you complain about. Either ask
>>>>_before_ that it is a WMCCC this year or don't organize something you're
>>>>against.
>>>
>>>I'm glad that we organized it, and am very happy that it took place
>>>successfully.
>>>
>>>I'm of course not against it, but simply say that there is room for
>>>improvement.
>>
>>Yes, but it's not making it easier for _you_ to win. It's marketing it better
>>and getting more participation.
>
>For this very reason a uniform hardware rule should be adopted. The number of
>participants would be much higher in a uniform hardware event, and you can
>expect other strong single processor engines (like Hiarcs and Tiger) to join.

Is this just a guess or do you have proof that participation would be higher? I
can say I would be turned off if WCCC became a handicapped event. And chess
tiger beats Storm quite often when storm runs on a quad. I also lose to other
commercials running on a single CPU system. Your ratio is not close to solid for
determining the winner or advantage. Especially in long time controls.

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>>>
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>>>>  Your problem is that you said here that Falcon only loses consistently to
>>>>Shredder and now you need an excuse. But you needn't, actually. Just accept WCCC
>>>>is not a measure of strength but just a party for programmers and teams and try
>>>>to prove your strength in more scientifically tests like SSDF.
>>>>
>>>>  José C.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The multi-processor entries got the first 5 places in the tournament - this was
>>>>>>partly unexpected by some, probably including you. Had you been aware of it
>>>>>>before the event you probably would have tried to get better hardware in case
>>>>>>your engine can use it successfully. Every other answer is a bit hard to believe
>>>>>>for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Peter



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