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Subject: Re: How about open weaponry boxing championship?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 07:52:52 07/18/04

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On July 18, 2004 at 02:12:58, Sune Fischer wrote:

>On July 17, 2004 at 19:39:43, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On July 17, 2004 at 17:15:15, Sune Fischer wrote:
>>
>>>On July 17, 2004 at 16:18:07, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>The correct number is around 45%, gcc 32 bit vs gcc 64 bit, or msvc 32 bit vs
>>>>msvc 64 bit.  I believe AMD has already published these numbers in fact...
>>>
>>>...which is still higher than the 1.4 :)
>>>
>>>>And Microsoft's compiler is at _least_ 10% faster than GCC.  More can be said by
>>>>Eugene if he wants...
>>>>
>>>>I was simply pointing out that there was absolutely no way a quad is 4x faster
>>>>than a 1-cpu box.
>>>
>>>Actually there is, if you use a quad 2.4 GHz against a single at 2.0 GHz :)
>>>
>>>-S.
>>
>>
>>Nope.  Again, going over the math.
>>
>>First, assume that the 2.4ghz machine runs like a 2.2ghz box due to the missing
>>NUMA kernel.  My testing shows that the 2.2ghz box searched one position at
>>2.07M nodes per second (1 cpu) where the 2.4ghz searched the same position at
>>2.1M nodes per second, almost identical.
>
>Missing NUMA kernal and bad compilers, that all software issues.
>
>So according to you...:
>
>"That's not my problem.  IE he ran on a 64 bit processor.  So _hardware_
>advantage is easy to compute.  If he didn't compile it correctly, there's little
>I can do about that.  But the raw _hardware_ advantage is easy to compute. "
>
>:)
>
>-S.


Correct me if I am wrong, but the issue was "how much faster would falcon have
to go to eliminate the hardware advantage Crafty had?"

I believe I answered that as clearly as possible.  It was _not_ a factor of 4x
faster.  It was exactly as I stated...  It _could_ have been a bit more, perhaps
10%, but that didn't happen.

It seems (to me) irrelevant as to what falcon _might_ have been able to do.  IE
if it was a 32 bit application on a 64 bit machine, that was a choice made by
the programmer since 64 bit operating systems are available for the Opteron.  I
simply responded to the above question...




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