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Subject: Re: [OT] Development Release: Mandrakelinux 10.1 beta 1 [OT]

Author: Eugene Nalimov

Date: 15:42:07 08/10/04

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On August 10, 2004 at 18:21:17, Matthew Hull wrote:

>On August 10, 2004 at 18:17:28, Eugene Nalimov wrote:
>
>>On August 10, 2004 at 18:16:14, Matthew Hull wrote:
>>
>>>On August 10, 2004 at 18:05:21, Eugene Nalimov wrote:
>>>
>>>>On August 10, 2004 at 17:38:31, Matthew Hull wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>...
>>>>>
>>>>>How much does a C compiler cost for Windows?  Ouch!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Free tools available from Microsoft alone:
>>>>
>>>>Visual C++ Toolkit 2003 -- compiler, linker, etc.:
>>>>http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/vctoolkit2003/
>>>>
>>>>Beta of Visual Studio 2005 Express, including compiler, linker, GUI editor,
>>>>debugger, project system, etc.:
>>>>http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/express/visualc/default.aspx
>>>>
>>>>You may want express editions of other MS languages. See
>>>>http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/vs2005/ for Visual Basic, Visual C#, Visual J#,
>>>>SQL, Visual Web Developer.
>>>>
>>>>If you want complete documentation for Visual Studio 2005, you have to download
>>>>express edition of MSDN library from
>>>>http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=30100&clcid=0x409 (additional 200 or
>>>>300Mb), or you have to tell Visual Studio to use help from the Internet.
>>>>
>>>>You are getting highly standard-compiant compiler with either of those
>>>>downloads. If you want to develop Windows programs you probably want to download
>>>>Windows SDK that includes Windows headers and libraries, for details see
>>>>http://weblogs.asp.net/brianjo/archive/2004/08/08/211085.aspx.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Why does MS sell _expensive_ developement packages if they are in reality, free?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Matt
>>
>>Because full package includes more, of course.
>
>
>Are there not also distribution restrictions for things built with the free
>tools?

From "Visual C++ Toolkit 2003 Q&A" on the same page
http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/vctoolkit2003/, question #4:

-----------------
Are there any restrictions on how I use the Visual C++ Toolkit?

In general, no. You may use the Toolkit to build C++ -based applications, and
you may redistribute those applications. Please read the End User License
Agreement (EULA), included with the Toolkit, for complete details.
-----------------

The text actually contains link to EULA --
http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/vctoolkit2003/eula.aspx.

I did not check other pages -- I left it as exercise to the reader :-). I
suspect there are some limitation for beta tools, but not for SDK.

>Thanks,
>Matt
>
>
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Eugene
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Eugene



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