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Subject: Re: [OT] Development Release: Mandrakelinux 10.1 beta 1 [OT]

Author: Anthony Cozzie

Date: 07:16:10 08/11/04

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On August 10, 2004 at 16:39:29, Peter Berger wrote:

>On August 10, 2004 at 01:17:55, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On August 09, 2004 at 23:45:28, Eugene Nalimov wrote:
>>
>>>Is it really necessary to insult people who have opinion different from yours?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Eugene
>>
>>
>>
>>Where is your sense of humour, Eugene?
>>
>>From time to time the 1% of Linux users I represent have a good laugh at the 95%
>>Windows users you represent.
>>
>>Is this 1% hurting you as much as it hurts Gates and Ballmer? ;-)
>>
>>I understand why THEY are worried. But you?
>>
>>
>>
>>    Christophe
>
>I guess if we really knew what was going on in the basements of most Linux
>users, it would be the Windows users who would have the final laugh.
>
>It is not the windows-bashing that can become annoying, it is the propaganda and
>the misleading information.
>
>My Windows PCs don't crash - never, and I have lots of them (only Fritz will at
>times). They were also pretty easy to install and setup. I admit that I am
>probably more knowledgeable than average PC users when it is about security and
>the like, but where is the fair comparison to the average Joe Linux user who
>somehow managed to install he OS, will of course be logged on as root, with no
>password, all network services running unpatched? Maybe he doesn't exist - OK,
>but then this only means that there just *is* no average Joe linux user.
>
>Whenever I talk with a happy Linux user with a mission I ask him a few basic
>questions on how he does this and that with his PC (concentrating on a few
>issues I had to face when I tried it myself). Once you show that you are not a
>complete ignoramus you will hear different stories - about the two weeks spent
>to get the video card running - the great features of the word processor ( once
>you studied the whole manual for a few weeks) etc.
>
>My favourite still is the one user who wanted to convince me that setting up
>Linux was way easier than Windows, though he unfortunately never got the sound
>to work ( mentioned much later in discussion ;) ) .
>
>While I used to do most of my work on Unix machines including years of system
>administration, and could probably go on for some time on things that are
>superior about it, I never felt fully prepared to deal with all this hazzle at
>home in my spare time, other than for the occasional experiment.
>
>Linux has obviously improved in recent years when it is about setup, and I toy
>with the idea to give it another try, but as long as the Linux users sound like
>missionaries, it is tough to trust them too much when it is about improvements
>made. I am still under the impression that everyone who really managed to reach
>a really workable system with Linux, is soo proud of himself and his
>intelligence, that he has to tell and pray to all the world :)
>
>Sorry for the OT, could't resist for unknown reasons.
>Peter

Linux over windows:

1. Great selection of good window managers. (things like collapse to title bar,
multiple desktops, right-click start menu, dock, etc).

2. Journalling filesystems.

3. Bandwidth shaping (see HTB).

4. Reasonable AMD64 support.

5. Various servers (mail, ftp, ssh).

6. Elegant package based distros (upgrade your entire machine with one command.
It works as well or better than windows update, but it does your applications
too)

7. Free.

anthony



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