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Subject: Re: What does your engine see???

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 12:09:07 08/24/04

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On August 24, 2004 at 15:06:23, Stuart Cracraft wrote:

>On August 24, 2004 at 15:03:08, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On August 24, 2004 at 14:49:02, Stuart Cracraft wrote:
>>
>>>[D]6k1/1q3ppp/r7/1rp1P1n1/3p1P2/1P1R2PP/2Q4K/B4R2 b - f3 0 1
>>>
>>>I spent a half hour adding enpassant. Things have changed quite a bit.
>>>
>>>Old version (no enpassant):
>>>
>>>NULLMV TT(524288) Alpha=-282 Beta=218 Maxdepth=9999999 MaxTime=9999
>>> 1/16  g5f3  0.01   31      409 g5f3 f1f3
>>> 2/16  g5f3  0.01   31     1539 g5f3 f1f3 b7f3
>>> 3/18  h2h1  0.04   46     6555 a6a1 f1a1 g5f3 d3f3
>>> 4/22  f1f3  0.10   46    19783 a6a1 f1a1 g5f3 d3f3 b7f3
>>> 5/22  a6a1  0.30   44    68423 a6a1 f1a1 g5f3 d3f3 b7f3 a1a3
>>> 6/22  a6a1  0.61   44   165863 a6a1 f1a1 g5f3 d3f3 b7f3 a1a3 b5b3
>>> 7/27  a6a1  2.33   44   613855 a6a1 f1a1 g5f3 d3f3 b7f3 a1a3 b5b3
>>> 8/35  g5h3 19.96   66  4712723 g5h3 e5e6 a6e6 g3g4 h3f4 f1f4 e6h6 h2g3 b7h1
>>> 9/37  g5h3 43.14   66  9160224 g5h3 e5e6 a6e6 g3g4 h3f4 f1f4 e6h6 h2g3 b7h1 a1d
>>>4
>>>10/39> g5h3 78.28  316 14437157 g5h3 e5e6 a6e6 g3g4 h3f4 f1f4 e6e1 a1b2 b7h1 h2g
>>>3 e1e8
>>>10/49  g5h3 400.73 1993 77426285 g5h3 d3f3 a6h6 h2g2 g7g5 c2f5 g5f4 b3b4 b5b4
>>>
>>>New version (enpassant):
>>>
>>>Alpha=-282 Beta=218 Maxdepth=9999999 MaxTime=9999
>>> 1/ 6  g5e4  0.00  -18      128 g5e4
>>> 2/12  g5f3  0.01   31      879 g5f3 f1f3
>>> 3/12  g5f3  0.02   31     3110 g5f3 f1f3 a6a1
>>> 4/16  g5f3  0.05   27    10544 g5f3 f1f3 a6a1 h2g2
>>> 5/16  g5f3  0.14   31    37731 g5f3 f1f3 a6a1 c2c4 a1e1
>>> 6/16  a6a1  0.43   44   133066 a6a1 f1a1 g5f3 d3f3 b7f3 a1a3
>>> 7/19  a6a1  1.16   44   373837 a6a1 f1a1 g5f3 d3f3 b7f3 a1a3 f3f1
>>> 8/21  a6a1  3.60   38  1170000 a6a1 f1a1 g5f3 d3f3 b7f3 a1a3 f3f1 c2f5
>>> 9/21  a6a1 10.00   37  3205065 a6a1 f1a1 g5f3 d3f3 b7f3 a1a3 g8h8 c2c4 f3f2
>>>10/22  a6a1 23.50   33  7729006 a6a1 f1a1 g5f3 d3f3 b7f3 a1a3 b5b8 c2g2 f3e3 g2d
>>>5
>>>11/26  a6a1 117.61   17 33944891 a6a1 f1a1 g5f3 d3f3 b7f3 c2d3 f3f2 h2h1 b5b8 a1
>>>a5
>>>12/27  a6a1 374.76   11 91936739 a6a1 f1a1 g5f3 d3f3 b7f3 c2d3 f3f2 h2h1 b5b8 a1
>>>c1 f2b2
>>>
>>>
>>>After forcing 1. ... Nxh3 2. Kxh3, the new version plays:
>>>
>>>Alpha=-2291 Beta=-1791 Maxdepth=9999999 MaxTime=9999
>>> 1/ 6  a6h6  0.00 -2034      101 a6h6
>>> 2/11  a6h6  0.01 -2031     1535 a6h6 h3g4
>>> 3/11  a6h6  0.02 -2025     3411 a6h6 h3g4 b7e4
>>> 4/15  a6h6  0.08 -2036    20337 a6h6 h3g4 b7e4 a1b2
>>> 5/16  a6h6  0.19 -2029    51326 a6h6 h3g4 b7d7 g4f3 d7h3
>>> 6/17  a6h6  1.06 -2037   320686 a6h6 h3g4 h6g6 g4f5 b7d7
>>> 7/19  a6a3  4.15 -2036  1131687 a6a3 f1c1 b5b3 d3b3 a3b3 c2c5 b7d7
>>> 8/21  a6h6 20.93 -2029  5385298 a6h6 h3g4 b7c6 a1b2 f7f5 e5f6
>>> 9/21  a6h6 30.15 -2028  7432631 a6h6 h3g4 b7c6 c2c4 b5b4 c4c2 c6e6 g4f3 e6h3
>>>10/23> a6h6 31.20 -1778  7728161 a6h6 h3g4 b7c6 c2c4 b5b4 c4c2 b4b5 c2c4 b5b4 c4
>>>c2 b4b5
>>>10/23  a6h6 47.26 -1049 12729030 a6h6 h3g4 f7f5 e5f6
>>>11/24  a6h6 110.03 -1033 30117999 a6h6 h3g4 b5b6 c2e2 b6b3 f1e1 b3d3 e2d3 b7g2
>>>
>>>And then lastly sees a draw by forced repetition:
>>>
>>>Alpha=-2327 Beta=-1827 Maxdepth=9999999 MaxTime=9999
>>> 1/ 6  b7e4  0.00 -2071      110 b7e4
>>> 2/11  h6g6  0.01 -2080      961 h6g6 g4f5
>>> 3/11  h6g6  0.02 -2076     2849 h6g6 g4f5 b7e7
>>> 4/17  b7e4  0.11 -2082    23213 b7e4 a1b2 h6g6
>>> 5/17  h6g6  0.25 -2081    67767 h6g6 g4f5 b7d7 f5e4 d7g4
>>> 6/17  b7c6  1.20 -2076   303550 b7c6 c2c4 b5b4 c4c2 h6g6 g4f5
>>> 7/17  b7c6  2.52 -2073   613462 b7c6 c2c4 b5b4 c4c2 h6g6 g4f5 c6e6
>>> 8/20> b7c6  3.58 -1823   923237 b7c6 c2c4 b5b4 c4c2 b4b5 c2c4 b5b4 c4c2 b4b5
>>> 8/20  f7f5  6.31    0  1777878 f7f5 e5f6 h6g6 g4h3 g6h6 h3g4 h6g6 g4h3 g6h6 h3g
>>>4
>>> 9/21  f7f5 13.85    0  3964065 f7f5 e5f6 h6g6 g4h3 g6h6 h3g4 h6g6 g4h3 g6h6 h3g
>>>4
>>>10/22  f7f5 23.98    0  7473556 f7f5 e5f6 h6g6 g4h3 g6h6 h3g4 h6g6 g4h3 g6h6 h3g
>>>4
>>>
>>>However, Bob's comments about "unclear" points out that there is
>>>still an issue with the analysis above as there is no clear draw?!?
>>>What is the draw-refutation to f5 exf6 Rg6+ ?
>>>
>>>Stuart
>>
>>f5 is not the right move so there is no need to try to refute draw
>>Nxh3 Kxh3 Rh6+ Kg4 Rb6! is the right line for black to win the game.
>>
>>Uri
>
>I assume you meant Rbb6.

Right
Here is the full winning line for black

http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?383889

Uri



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