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Subject: Re: A question for all chess programmers!!!

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 20:43:07 01/05/99

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On January 05, 1999 at 23:00:31, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>On January 05, 1999 at 18:44:59, Dann Corbit wrote:
>
>>On January 05, 1999 at 11:05:46, Matthew Herman wrote:
>>[snip]
>>>Here is another of one of those positions 5k1K/7P/8/8/8/8/8/N7 w - -
>>>It is drawn as white (with the knight) cannot "lose a tempo" and drive the king
>>>away from f7/f8. (with black to move or the knight on a2 it is a win).
>>>Programs don't see this either (Junior at depth 60 says +6.96)
>>>
>>>Also as Hyatt said.. if it is in the tablebase it knows if it is drawn or a win
>>>.. and will say drawn at root etc.. (this is what fouled me up when using crafty
>>>under the winboard adaptor to get access to the tablebases via chessbase (it
>>>wouldn't show = 0.00 at the drawn positions but rather say +2.00 (in a KRKB
>>>drawn ending))
>>You raise a good point.  I wish that when the chess engine *knows* the position
>>is drawn, that it would report a ce of 0.00.  To report (e.g. +2.0) different
>>values is clearly incorrect.  I don't care if it wants to continue to try to
>>pull out a win and hope for a mistake.  But it should not report an erroneous
>>conclusion.
>
>this will be fixed in 16.4... there are two alternatives.  first, in analyze
>mode or when annotating games, "swindle mode" is disabled.  Second, a new
>command (swindle off) will disable this even when playing...
Pretty please, down on my knees...
Could you also fix the epd processing error for when you have a single forced
move?
The ce is always given as zero, but almost always should be something else.
Example:
r2qkbnr/ppp2Bpp/3p4/4N3/4P3/2N5/PP3PPP/R1Bb1RK1 b kq -
The reported value of 0 is only off by -32765.
E:\crafty\Release>crafty2
EPD Kit revision date: 1996.04.21
unable to open book file [e:/crafty/release/book.bin].
book is disabled
unable to open book file [e:/crafty/release/books.bin].
search time set to 770.00.
using cpu time
Crafty 16.3 vs ferret
pondering enabled.
EGTB cache memory = 16M bytes.
hash table memory = 48M bytes.
pawn hash table memory = 8M bytes.
play best book line after search.
EGTB access enabled
using tbpath=e:/crafty/release/tb
4 piece tablebase files found

Crafty v16.3

White(1): epdpfga epd.epd epd.out
PFGA: EPD record: 1
Black(1): quit
execution complete.

E:\crafty\Release>type epd.out
r2qkbnr/ppp2Bpp/3p4/4N3/4P3/2N5/PP3PPP/R1Bb1RK1 b kq - acd 1; acn 1; acs 1; ce
0; pv Ke7;




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