Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 14:27:56 08/28/04
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On August 28, 2004 at 16:19:36, Gerd Isenberg wrote: >On August 28, 2004 at 15:29:15, Rolf Tueschen wrote: > >>On August 28, 2004 at 14:14:12, Gerd Isenberg wrote: >> >>>On August 28, 2004 at 13:54:43, Andrew Williams wrote: >>> >>>>On August 28, 2004 at 13:48:33, Gerd Isenberg wrote: >>>> >>>>>On August 28, 2004 at 13:26:46, Andrew Williams wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On August 28, 2004 at 11:44:30, Gerd Isenberg wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On August 28, 2004 at 10:23:53, Frank Quisinsky wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Hi there, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Eugenio sent us the following open letter. >>>>>>>>The letter is public on Arena webpages (News-Ticker). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Best >>>>>>>>Frank >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Eugenio wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>--- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>"I've used crafty source to implement my own program ElChinito. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>My public and sincere apologize to Bob Hyatt not to mention that in ElChinito's >>>>>>>>readme file and copyright notes and did not ask consequently for permission. I >>>>>>>>will ensure that ElChinito is not longer public available for download and plays >>>>>>>>any public tournaments. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I've inform ICGA and French Computer Chess Association about this issue to >>>>>>>>accept their decision, and discalificate Chinito from the played events. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>My apologize to Frank Q. for the damages caused. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>My apologize to any one of the tester and downloaders of Arena. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Eugenio Castillo." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>My respect to Eugenio Castillo for his late apology. >>>>>>>It seems that he had a hard time and a long fight to decide so. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>It was a severe offence of Eugenio, i understand that routines like NextMove >>>>>>>have another quality than some cray like bitscan routines or moveInput. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Eugenio obviously used Crafty framework as a toolbox for the bitboard >>>>>>>infrastructure and parts of move generation and even minor parts of eval. He >>>>>>>was, probably due his naivety, not fully aware of the cloning issue or did >>>>>>>repress it in some way, after receiving no answer from Bob after some tries. >>>>>>>Didn't Dann Corbit mention Eugenio mailed Bob about that issue, but Bob didn't >>>>>>>receive for what reasons ever? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>It is difficult to quantify for me, but it seems that most of ElChinitos >>>>>>>strength was not based on Crafty but on Eugenio's own search and most parts of >>>>>>>it's evaluation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>So i respect his decision to don't make ElChinito open source and i suggest to >>>>>>>give ElChinito a second chance after some time, until Eugenio assures that no >>>>>>>more parts of crafty are inside - IMHO. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Gerd >>>>>> >>>>>>I think you're being WAY too lenient here, Gerd. You must be a nicer person than >>>>>>me! >>>>>> >>>>>>Andrew >>>>> >>>>>Hi Andrew, >>>>>no, but what do you suggest? >>>> >>>>I didn't mean in terms of the punishment, but in terms of his motives and in >>>>terms of El Chinito's quality. I just don't think you can take the whole board >>>>structure and move generation code out of one program and then build another >>>>program around it and then claim that the "new" program is your own. I believe >>>>that if Eugenio had started from scratch with nothing, his program would not >>>>have been anything special, BUT it would have been his own program and therefore >>>>deserving of our respect. >>> >>>Yes, i agree. >>>I welcome Eugenio to post a little bit more here in CCC, >>>sharing some backgrounds and discussing ideas. >>>But of course not to give away all his secrets. >> >>You see, this is so insulting. You want to open a stage for people who committed >>fraud. Bravo! Is that really what you want for the whole field of computerchess, >>Gert, I beg you! > >Isn't that the idea of resocialisation? If you dont mind, that term is only existing for the time after punishment but not directly after the crime. :) Well, Eugenio could well become street-worker and starting to heal the thousands who also are trying to cheat with such chess programs. But all that after a long-term imprisonment. > >> >> >> >>> >>>Gerd >>> >>> >>>> >>>>>A life time ban? >>>> >>>>No. >>>> >>>>>A therapy by Rolf? >>>> >>>>Ha! You may be kinder than me, but I'm not THAT bad. >>>> >>>>:-) >>>> >>>>Andrew
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