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Subject: Re: Knee jerk reaction!

Author: Mike Byrne

Date: 17:16:38 09/03/04

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On September 03, 2004 at 17:32:07, Kurt Utzinger wrote:

>On September 03, 2004 at 17:18:32, Mike Byrne wrote:
>
>>On September 03, 2004 at 16:01:45, Graham Banks wrote:
>>
>>>On September 03, 2004 at 15:37:40, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 03, 2004 at 15:07:17, Graham Banks wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On September 03, 2004 at 13:17:51, robert flesher wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>If you are going to waste your precious time and everyone else here then  please
>>>>>>indicate that you have given unfair advantages to certain engines.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I think people should read the setup details and maybe look through the whole
>>>>>range of games before going off half cocked!
>>>>>All engines are using the Fritz powerbook tournament settings. There is the odd
>>>>>strange opening due to the maximum variety setting used, but I think you'll find
>>>>>that this has equally affected all engines and that no particular engine has
>>>>>been disadvantaged.
>>>>>For the final of the tournament I intend to optimise the powerbook settings, so
>>>>>this should eliminate any unusual openings.
>>>>>Graham.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>In other words, you are "flipping a coin" to see who wins in the early rounds?
>>>>
>>>>That is _exactly_ what is happening.  And to say "it averages out" shows a lack
>>>>of statistical understanding.  If you play an _infinite_ number of games, it
>>>>_might_ average out, assuming the programs all select openings the same way.
>>>>
>>>>This does make very little sense...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi Bob,
>>>in a limited Swiss, I'd agree. In a round robin over 76 rounds, I don't.
>>>Regards, Graham.
>>
>>Graham,
>>
>>You invited comments and you got them.  At best, your choice of openings is
>>interesting , at worst, nobody will  take your results seriously .  But they are
>>your games and  feel free to post.
>>
>>I like it best when engines are run under the conditions that the author has
>>designed the engine to run - including opening book and learning.  Your YMMV.
>>
>>Michael
>
>
>      Hi Michael
>      English is not my native language and I therefore does
>      not know what is meant by "YMMV". Would you please explain to me.
>      Kurt

"Your mileage may vary"

This in English term that for years was part of every Car advertisement that
advertise the "miles per gallon" (MPG).  It denoted the fact that although your
automobile was rated perhaps 20 MPG in the city and say rated 27 MPG on the
highway - your actual mileage would vary depending on how you drive the car.
Some people may drive with a heavy foot on the pedal, others may obtain better
gas mileage by driving with a lighter foot.   Thus "YMMV" has come to mean that
you may get different levels of satisfaction and or peerfromance by depending on
how use the product.

I had stated above that I like running tournaments run with one set of
parameters, others may use their own settings.  Which is ok -- we are simply
choosing how to use the product to fill our own personal preferences.  Some may
chose to drive their car with a heavy foot on the gas pedal, others may choose
to drive with lighter foot.  In this case , our own personal use of chess
software is by our own choosing and if somebody want to use a book that has
maximimum book variety - he is free to do so.  He is using the software that
maximize his own personal ejoyment - just like with everything we choose to do
in our daily life.  In short, "YMMV" means I know you may disagree with my use
of product or you may get different results with the way you use it and that is
ok - you use it the way you want to use it, I will use it the way I choose to
use it and we both live happily ever after.

Best,

Michael



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