Author: Mike Byrne
Date: 17:16:38 09/03/04
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On September 03, 2004 at 17:32:07, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >On September 03, 2004 at 17:18:32, Mike Byrne wrote: > >>On September 03, 2004 at 16:01:45, Graham Banks wrote: >> >>>On September 03, 2004 at 15:37:40, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On September 03, 2004 at 15:07:17, Graham Banks wrote: >>>> >>>>>On September 03, 2004 at 13:17:51, robert flesher wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>If you are going to waste your precious time and everyone else here then please >>>>>>indicate that you have given unfair advantages to certain engines. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I think people should read the setup details and maybe look through the whole >>>>>range of games before going off half cocked! >>>>>All engines are using the Fritz powerbook tournament settings. There is the odd >>>>>strange opening due to the maximum variety setting used, but I think you'll find >>>>>that this has equally affected all engines and that no particular engine has >>>>>been disadvantaged. >>>>>For the final of the tournament I intend to optimise the powerbook settings, so >>>>>this should eliminate any unusual openings. >>>>>Graham. >>>> >>>> >>>>In other words, you are "flipping a coin" to see who wins in the early rounds? >>>> >>>>That is _exactly_ what is happening. And to say "it averages out" shows a lack >>>>of statistical understanding. If you play an _infinite_ number of games, it >>>>_might_ average out, assuming the programs all select openings the same way. >>>> >>>>This does make very little sense... >>> >>> >>> >>>Hi Bob, >>>in a limited Swiss, I'd agree. In a round robin over 76 rounds, I don't. >>>Regards, Graham. >> >>Graham, >> >>You invited comments and you got them. At best, your choice of openings is >>interesting , at worst, nobody will take your results seriously . But they are >>your games and feel free to post. >> >>I like it best when engines are run under the conditions that the author has >>designed the engine to run - including opening book and learning. Your YMMV. >> >>Michael > > > Hi Michael > English is not my native language and I therefore does > not know what is meant by "YMMV". Would you please explain to me. > Kurt "Your mileage may vary" This in English term that for years was part of every Car advertisement that advertise the "miles per gallon" (MPG). It denoted the fact that although your automobile was rated perhaps 20 MPG in the city and say rated 27 MPG on the highway - your actual mileage would vary depending on how you drive the car. Some people may drive with a heavy foot on the pedal, others may obtain better gas mileage by driving with a lighter foot. Thus "YMMV" has come to mean that you may get different levels of satisfaction and or peerfromance by depending on how use the product. I had stated above that I like running tournaments run with one set of parameters, others may use their own settings. Which is ok -- we are simply choosing how to use the product to fill our own personal preferences. Some may chose to drive their car with a heavy foot on the gas pedal, others may choose to drive with lighter foot. In this case , our own personal use of chess software is by our own choosing and if somebody want to use a book that has maximimum book variety - he is free to do so. He is using the software that maximize his own personal ejoyment - just like with everything we choose to do in our daily life. In short, "YMMV" means I know you may disagree with my use of product or you may get different results with the way you use it and that is ok - you use it the way you want to use it, I will use it the way I choose to use it and we both live happily ever after. Best, Michael
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