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Subject: Re: program strength

Author: Vasik Rajlich

Date: 09:05:26 09/24/04

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On September 24, 2004 at 07:43:57, Joachim Rang wrote:

>On September 24, 2004 at 05:07:52, stuart taylor wrote:
>
>>On September 24, 2004 at 04:44:23, jim r uselton wrote:
>>
>>>Hello, I'm a newbie at computer chess and I have a question. How strong are the
>>>programs you buy right off the shelf. The Fritz, the Shredder, etc., etc.
>>>
>>>Will they play at GM strength or do you need a strong player guiding and
>>>controlling move selection?
>>
>>The top programs on normal PC's of today, will often beat a GM, perhaps even
>>more often than not. If even a GM wants to have a fighting chance, he has to be
>>very familiar with computer style chess.
>>
>>This does not mean that a GM doesn't understand better than a computer. Any GM
>>SHOULD beat a computer in almost any game, but that is now very hard to
>>actualize any more, so you might as well say that computers are equal to a
>>strong GM, but in a certain way.
>>
>>I think that if any GM would analyze absolutely determined to win, like in
>>correspondents chess, then he could win (or draw) almost any game off any
>>computer, even if the computer was also left analyzing for that same amount of
>>time. But the GM would have to work very very hard.
>>
>>S.Taylor
>
>exactly that kind of experiment is happening right now:
>
>http://www.chessfriend.com
>
>Select "GM Nickel - Engines" in the Navigation.
>
>so far it seems an engine with a dedicated and decent (not top) computer
>analyzing at CC-time-controls (several days per move) is playing on GM-Level in
>Correspondence Chess too.
>
>Of course Arno Nickel did some minor mistakes but the match indicates that even
>on CC it is nowadays very hard for a human to beat a computer.
>
>regards Joachim

Is anything being done to prevent computer use by the human?

If not, the experiment is to see if human assistance of that level is of any
use.

Vas

>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Also, what percentage of top CC players use program
>>>assistance in their CC games?
>>>
>>>Thanks



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