Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 07:13:04 10/01/04
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On October 01, 2004 at 10:07:34, Mike Byrne wrote: >On October 01, 2004 at 05:40:19, Tony Hedlund wrote: > >>On October 01, 2004 at 00:43:45, Mike Byrne wrote: >> >>>On September 30, 2004 at 23:52:18, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On September 30, 2004 at 23:03:19, Peter Skinner wrote: >>>> >>>>>On September 30, 2004 at 19:59:08, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On September 30, 2004 at 18:30:40, Peter Skinner wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On September 30, 2004 at 18:02:21, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Again Crafty lost an Nimzo-Indian with white. When will it change to 1.e4? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>It won't. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>:) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Do you honestly feel Crafty plays better vs computers with 1.d4? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I find in online games that Crafty does very well with 1.e4 or 1.Nf3 against >>>>>>>computers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Peter >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>The problem is professional book lines in 1. e4 openings... >>>>> >>>>>I see your point. >>>>> >>>>>Would it not be better to supply an opening bookc.bin that would refute many of >>>>>the lines, or at best come out of the opening even? >>>>> >>>>>Playing 1.d4 is simply going to get Crafty in trouble in quite a few of the >>>>>games. You can only play it so many times before learning hurts you instead of >>>>>helping you. >>>>> >>>>>Peter >>>> >>>> >>>>The thing is, they play X games with one computer, so learning ought to fix this >>>>up unless the Nimzo lines are so well plotted that everything it tries fails. >>>> >>>>Making a special SSDF opening book is not something I have time to do. Nor >>>>anyone else I know of. IE Peter has some stuff from the WCCC, but we'd not want >>>>to reveal that via SSDF testing as we will likely play in the next WCCC event >>>>and will need a unknown book for it... >>> >>>The book for SSDF appears to be more or less a generic plain jane book based >>>on top GM games. My own testing with new clean books like this -- it will take >>>at lest about 20 -25 games to really get some "good" learning action. So it >>>may take a little bit of time. >> >>The lrn-files is still empty. Is this ok? Will it take more games for Crafty to >>start learning? Or is the learning stored somewhere else? >> > > >Learning is on by default -- it is possible, based on how Crafty came out of the >opening, there was no learning. One thing you can check -- see if the the book >files I sent you still have the same date/time stamp --- if they do, no learning >has occurred. > >I would be surprised if there has been no learning after the number of games >you have already played. I believed some learning should have happened by now. > >Mike _every_ loss will trigger learning at a minumum. popping out of book in a bad position (bad score for crafty) will do the same. And finally any loss should also trigger some position learning (position.lrn should grow) due to bad scores. If they are empty something is broken in the setup as I am getting learning from nearly every game Crafty plays on ICC...
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