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Subject: Re: SSDF(Crafty 19.17 - Deep Junior 8)A1200, ½-1½, now 2-6

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 11:38:53 10/01/04

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On October 01, 2004 at 10:41:05, Tony Hedlund wrote:

>On October 01, 2004 at 10:07:34, Mike Byrne wrote:
>
>>On October 01, 2004 at 05:40:19, Tony Hedlund wrote:
>>
>>>On October 01, 2004 at 00:43:45, Mike Byrne wrote:
>>>
>>>>On September 30, 2004 at 23:52:18, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On September 30, 2004 at 23:03:19, Peter Skinner wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On September 30, 2004 at 19:59:08, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On September 30, 2004 at 18:30:40, Peter Skinner wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On September 30, 2004 at 18:02:21, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Again Crafty lost an Nimzo-Indian with white. When will it change to 1.e4?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It won't.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>:)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Do you honestly feel Crafty plays better vs computers with 1.d4?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I find in online games that Crafty does very well with 1.e4 or 1.Nf3 against
>>>>>>>>computers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Peter
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The problem is professional book lines in 1. e4 openings...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I see your point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Would it not be better to supply an opening bookc.bin that would refute many of
>>>>>>the lines, or at best come out of the opening even?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Playing 1.d4 is simply going to get Crafty in trouble in quite a few of the
>>>>>>games. You can only play it so many times before learning hurts you instead of
>>>>>>helping you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Peter
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The thing is, they play X games with one computer, so learning ought to fix this
>>>>>up unless the Nimzo lines are so well plotted that everything it tries fails.
>>>>>
>>>>>Making a special SSDF opening book is not something I have time to do.  Nor
>>>>>anyone else I know of.  IE Peter has some stuff from the WCCC, but we'd not want
>>>>>to reveal that via SSDF testing as we will likely play in the next WCCC event
>>>>>and will need a unknown book for it...
>>>>
>>>>The book  for SSDF appears to be more or less a generic plain jane  book based
>>>>on top GM games.   My own testing with new clean books like this -- it will take
>>>>at lest about 20 -25 games to really get some "good" learning action.   So it
>>>>may take a little bit of time.
>>>
>>>The lrn-files is still empty. Is this ok? Will it take more games for Crafty to
>>>start learning? Or is the learning stored somewhere else?
>>>
>>
>>
>>Learning is on by default -- it is possible, based on how Crafty came out of the
>>opening, there was no learning.   One thing you can check -- see if the the book
>>files I sent you still have the same date/time stamp --- if they do, no learning
>>has occurred.
>
>It's still the same date.
>
>Tony

yes.  Somehow there is a "learn=0" somewhere that is turning off all learning
completely...


>
>>I would be surprised if  there has been no learning after the number of games
>>you have already played.  I believed some learning should have happened by now.
>>
>>Mike



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