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Subject: Re: The Null Move Killer

Author: Stuart Cracraft

Date: 07:20:38 10/02/04

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On October 02, 2004 at 01:29:08, Uri Blass wrote:

>On October 01, 2004 at 22:55:50, Stuart Cracraft wrote:
>
>>On October 01, 2004 at 12:53:12, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On October 01, 2004 at 12:20:18, Stuart Cracraft wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 01, 2004 at 08:58:58, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On October 01, 2004 at 08:00:27, Ross Boyd wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On October 01, 2004 at 06:46:00, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On October 01, 2004 at 04:23:24, Ross Boyd wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On October 01, 2004 at 02:27:59, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On September 30, 2004 at 19:40:30, Ross Boyd wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>><snipped>
>>>>>>>>>>BTW, I'd suggest toning down your recapture extensions somewhat. I don't allow
>>>>>>>>>>recap extensions unless they occur in the last 3 ply of the main search. The
>>>>>>>>>>point is there is no point in extending recaps at shallow depths because the
>>>>>>>>>>tree simply explodes. You may have been using over-aggressive recap extensions
>>>>>>>>>>to 'compensate' for the lack of other key extensions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It seems to me that you mean to something else.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You say that there is no point in extending recaps at shallow depth but based on
>>>>>>>>>your words I understand that you allow recapture extensions only at shallow
>>>>>>>>>depth(only in the last 3 plies of the main search).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Uri
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I see no response in your reply.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I will explain again the problem.
>>>>>>>Here is again your sentence
>>>>>>>"I don't allow
>>>>>>>recap extensions unless they occur in the last 3 ply of the main search."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>unless is if not
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You do not allow recapture extensions if they do not occur in the last 3 plies.
>>>>>>>In other words you allow recapture extensions only in the last 3 plies and the
>>>>>>>last 3 plies are shallow depth depth<=3 based on my understanding.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Uri
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi Uri,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This is strange. I mistakenly hit enter before replying, hence the blank reply.
>>>>>>And then I replied again but somehow the reply is not displayed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Anyway, you are right, I meant to say that extending recaps is useful only near
>>>>>>the tips ie. last 3 ply. Close to the root recapture extensions expand the tree
>>>>>>for no good reason. That's all I was trying to say.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You have a sharp eye for detail. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Best wishes,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ross
>>>>>
>>>>>I do not agree about it and there is a good reason to extend recaptures near the
>>>>>root when you often search logical lines and not near the leaves when you more
>>>>>often have illogical lines so there is a good logical reason to ti extend
>>>>>recaptures near the root.
>>>>>
>>>>>recaptures also simplify the position so you may be able to search to depth 9
>>>>>after recapture faster than many searchs that you do to depth 8 after quiet
>>>>>moves when you will not be able to search to depth 2 after recapture faster than
>>>>>searching to depth 1 after quiet moves.
>>>>>
>>>>>Uri
>>>>
>>>>Then Uri do you suggest to recapture only if depth > N and not search
>>>>recapture if depth <= N or won't you go that far?
>>>>
>>>>What does movei do and why do you call it movei? A Move Instruction?
>>>>
>>>>Stuart
>>>
>>>I call it movei because I worked a lot on the move generation.
>>>I do something about it but I am not sure that it plays better with it(I think
>>>that last time that I tested changes in it was more than a year ago and only in
>>>test suites).
>>>
>>>I will not give the details here but only say that I do not extend every
>>>recapture and how much to extend is dependent not only on the remaining depth
>>>but also on other factors.
>>>
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>If you are not commercial, what is the benefit of not divulging?
>>
>>Stuart
>
>I may be commercial in the future if movei becomes strong enough.
>
>My problem is not lack of ideas but lack of experience in programming and lack
>of energy to work much on writing a chess program so I do other things instead
>of it like playing chess  or participating in discussions.
>
>Uri

No problem there. We all have lives apart from this stuff.

If you don't want to write a chess program, consider working with an
experienced programmer to do the heavy programming work as a collaborator.





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