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Subject: Re: Why Did Junior Underperform So Badly In Bilbao?

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 09:56:45 10/13/04

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On October 13, 2004 at 10:19:32, Peter Skinner wrote:

>On October 13, 2004 at 09:36:13, Graham Laight wrote:
>
>>On October 13, 2004 at 09:09:05, Peter Skinner wrote:
>>
>>>On October 13, 2004 at 07:51:42, Graham Laight wrote:
>>>
>>>>I refer you to http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?391364 , and I
>>>>would be interested to read your comments!
>>>
>>>One tournament would hardly be a basis to determine the strength of a human or a
>>>computer.
>>
>>This is a good point. However - the results I'm getting back from the simulator
>>(linked above) are seriously at odds with some assumptions that some members in
>>this thread seem to hold:
>>
>>1. That the computers at Bilbao had a roughly equal chance of winning. If you
>>create a high probability of winning (in order to justify Hydra and Fritz's
>>results), then you end up with a startlingly low probability of Junior getting
>>the low score that it did - EVEN WITH ONLY 4 GAMES.
>>
>>2. Joachim used a 50% probability of winning in his post to get acceptable
>>probabilities for the 3 different outcomes (3.5/4 x 2 and 1.5/4). However - this
>>is at odds with what Dr Hyatt wrote - which is that when contemplating computer
>>chess strength, I should "think lower"
>>(http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?391290)
>>
>>IMO, in terms of what members have been writing in this thread, these are VERY
>>SIGNIFICANT points.
>>
>>-g
>
>Well many including myself and Dr.Hyatt have been saying for years that
>computers are not stronger than humans. They might be equal to humans but not
>stronger.
>
>Computers still have the major flaw in long term planning, and positional
>management in a game. This is where the human GM excels, and crushes the
>computer opponent.
>
>If you talk to Amir, I am sure he is quite pleased with 3 draws and only 1 loss
>vs these GM's. I am just as sure that Robert would be happy with such a result.

I do not know the opinion of Amir but I think that you do not understand that
from the point of view of commercial programs the competition is against other
programs and not against humans.

I think that if I were instead of Amir I would prefer to get 1 out of 4 when
Fritz and Hydra get 0 out of 4 and not to get 1.5 out of 4 when Fritz and Hydra
get 3.5 out of 4.

Uri



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