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Subject: Re: test repeated

Author: Eelco de Groot

Date: 20:12:26 10/21/04

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Hallo Gerhard,

I was curious to see if maybe the last used .eng file could still be in memory,
probably you also checked that, but that does not seem to be the case. With a
"noparametertest.eng", an empty file, I actually thought I saw slower NPS,
around 148000 NPS compared to about 160000 for custom settings that have Chess
Knowledge = 200 and all else equal, should be a bit slower than default. (But I
suppose that depends on lot of other parameters as well, not just Ches
Knowledge.)

The empty file engine does go through the subsequent plies pretty fast though in
total nodes searched per ply, which would suggest to me that possibly not a lot
of extensions are being used. So the behaviour on my computer looks just a bit
like settings that have normal/default Chess Knowledge(=Lazy Eval) and few
extensions.

But I don't see the high nodes per second you observed. This is what I get again
in the position from Ferret-Gandalf, with the game loaded, (hash and learning
cleared) after 42.Qa1 (Celeron 500 MHz, 28 MB HT).


[Event "Wch-Comp-11 Maastricht"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "19/8/2001"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Ferret 2xAMD 1.2"]
[Black "Gandalf 5.0"]
[Result "1-0"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 d6 8. c3
O-O 9. h3 Bb7
10. d4 Re8 11. Nbd2 Bf8 12. a4 h6 13. Bc2 exd4 14. cxd4 Nb4 15. Bb1 g6 16. Ra3
Bg7 17. Nh2
c5 18. d5 Nd7 19. Ndf3 h5 20. Nf1 bxa4 21. Qxa4 a5 22. Ne3 Ba6 23. Qd1 c4 24.
Nd2 Ne5 25. Rf1
Qb6 26. Kh2 c3 27. bxc3 Bxf1 28. Qxf1 Na6 29. Rb3 Qc7 30. c4 Nb4 31. Qd1 Nd7 32.
Nef1
Nc5 33. Rf3 a4 34. Kg1 Reb8 35. Rg3 Qe7 36. Ba3 Be5 37. Re3 Bf4 38. Rf3 Qe5 39.
h4 Bh6
40. Ne3 Nb3 41. Ndf1 Bxe3 42. Nxe3 Qa1 43. e5 Qxa3 44. Rxf7 Kxf7 45. Qf3+ Kg8
46. Qf6
Qa1 47. Qe6+ Kf8 48. Qxd6+ Ke8 49. Qxg6+ Kd8 50. d6 Kc8 51. Qf7 Qxb1+ 52. Kh2
Na6 53. e6
Nbc5 54. e7 Qe4 55. d7+ Nxd7 56. e8Q+ Qxe8 57. Qxe8+ Kc7 58. Nd5+ Kc6 59. Qe6+
Kc5 60. Qxd7
a3 61. Qf5 Kxc4 62. Ne3+ Kc3 63. Qc2+ Kb4 64. Qc4+ Ka5 65. Qc3+ Kb5 66. Qb3+ Kc6
67. Qa4+
Kb6 68. Qxa3 Rh8 69. Qd6+ Kb5 70. Qe5+ Nc5 71. Qb2+ Kc6 72. Qf6+ Kb5 73. Nd5
Rhc8 74. Qb2+
Kc6 75. Ne7+ 1-0

  Ferret-Gandalf after 42. Nxe3 Qa1

[D]rr4k1/5p2/3p2p1/3P3p/pnP1P2P/Bn2NR2/5PP1/qB1Q2K1 w - - 1 1

noparametertest.eng:

00:00:00.7	-1,35	1	7	Bxb4 Rxb4
00:00:00.7	-0,85	1	137	Nc2
00:00:00.7	-2,55	2	219	Nc2 Nxc2 Bxd6
00:00:00.7	-1,07	2	350	Bxb4 Rxb4 Nc2
00:00:00.8	-0,09	3	2026	Bxb4 Nd4 Qe1 Nxf3+
00:00:00.8	-0,09	4	3345	Bxb4 Nd4 Qe1 Nxf3+ gxf3
00:00:00.8	-0,99	5	11774	Bxb4 Nd4 Qe1 Qb2 Nc2 Nxc2
00:00:01.0	-0,99	6	28814	Bxb4 Nd4 Qe1 Qb2 Nc2 Nxc2
00:00:01.2	-1,19	7	66706	Bxb4 Nd4 Qe1 Qb2 Nc2 Nxc2 Bxc2 Qxb4
00:00:02.0	-1,19	8	144919	Bxb4 Nd4 Qe1 Qb2 Nc2 Nxc2 Bxc2 Qxb4
00:00:03.4	-1,36	9	295580	Bxb4 Nd4 Qe1 Qb2 Nc2 Nxc2 Bxc2 Rxb4 c5 dxc5
00:00:06.6	-1,50	10	740027	Bxb4 Nd4 Qe1 Qb2 Nc2 Nxc2 Bxc2 Qxb4 Qa1 Qxc4
00:00:13.4	-1,78	11	1723714	Bxb4 Nd4 Qe1 Qb2 Nc2 Nxc2 Bxc2 Rxb4 Rc3 Rc8 Bd3
00:00:29.9	-1,77	12	4243014	Bxb4 Nd4 Qe1 Qb2 Nc2 Nxc2 Bxc2 Rxb4 Bd3 Rab8 e5 dxe5
00:01:06.7	-1,96	13	10011922	Bxb4 Nd4 Qe1 Qb2 Nc2 Nxc2 Bxc2 Rxb4 Bd3 a3 Kh2
00:03:07.1	-2,21	14	28457284	Bxb4 Nd4 Qe1 Qb2 Bxd6 Nxf3+ gxf3 Qxb1 Qf1 Qxf1+
Nxf1 Rb1 Ba3 Rb3 Be7

NO SE 3 custom settings

00:00:00.6	-1,51	1	7	Bxb4 Rxb4
00:00:00.6	-0,96	1	134	Nc2
00:00:00.7	-2,55	2	217	Nc2 Nxc2 Bxd6
00:00:00.7	-1,15	2	345	Bxb4 Rxb4 Nc2
00:00:00.7	-0,25	3	2107	Bxb4 Nd4 Qe1 Nxf3+
00:00:00.7	-0,25	4	2907	Bxb4 Nd4 Qe1 Nxf3+ gxf3
00:00:00.7	-0,53	5	5615	Bxb4 Nd4 Qe1 Nxf3+ gxf3 Qb2
00:00:00.8	-1,10	6	20303	Bxb4 Nd4 Qe1 Qb2 Nc2 Nxc2
00:00:01.0	-1,30	7	47443	Bxb4 Nd4 Qe1 Qb2 Nc2 Nxc2 Bxc2 Qxb4
00:00:01.6	-1,42	8	120920	Bxb4 Nd4 Qe1 Qb2 Nc2 Nxc2 Bxc2 Rxb4 c5 dxc5
00:00:02.9	-1,42	9	322961	Bxb4 Nd4 Qe1 Qb2 Nc2 Nxc2 Bxc2 Rxb4 c5 dxc5
00:00:06.7	-1,92	10	858899	Bxb4 Nd4 Qe1 Qb2 Nc2 Nxc2 Bxc2 Rxb4 Bd3 Rab8 e5 dxe5
00:00:14.6	-1,92	11	2279877	Bxb4 Nd4 Qe1 Qb2 Nc2 Nxc2 Bxc2 Rxb4 Bd3 Rab8 e5 dxe5
00:00:37.9	-2,35	12	6123227	Bxb4 Nd4 Qe1 Qb2 Bxd6 Nxf3+ gxf3 Qxb1 Qf1 Qxf1+ Nxf1
Rb7 c5 a3 c6
00:01:56.9	-2,64	13	19435617	Bxb4 Nd4 Qe1 Qb2 Bxd6 Qxb1
00:07:13.9	-2,91	14	71241301	Bxb4 Nd4 Qe1 Qb2 Bxd6 Qxb1


Rebel.eng (August 2004 version, without My Queen = 101 and MISC_78)

00:00:00.6	-1,31	1	7	Bxb4 Rxb4
00:00:00.6	-0,15	1	137	Nc2
00:00:00.7	-2,01	2	229	Nc2 Nxc2 Bxd6
00:00:00.7	-0,05	2	322	Bxb4 Rxb4 Nc2
00:00:00.7	-0,58	3	1855	Bxb4 Nd4 Nc2 Nxc2
00:00:00.8	-0,58	4	3106	Bxb4 Nd4 Nc2 Nxc2
00:00:00.8	-0,26	5	8746	Bxb4 Nd4 Qe1 Nxf3+ gxf3 Qf6
00:00:01.0	-1,26	6	28556	Bxb4 Nd4 Qe1 Qb2 Nc2 Nxc2 Bxc2
00:00:01.2	-1,26	7	64987	Bxb4 Nd4 Qe1 Qb2 Nc2 Nxc2 Bxc2 Rxb4
00:00:01.9	-1,26	8	136078	Bxb4 Nd4 Qe1 Qb2 Nc2 Nxc2 Bxc2 Rxb4
00:00:03.4	-1,37	9	295356	Bxb4 Nd4 Qe1 Qb2 Nc2 Nxc2 Bxc2 Rxb4 c5 dxc5
00:00:06.1	-1,37	10	668728	Bxb4 Nd4 Qe1 Qb2 Nc2 Nxc2 Bxc2 Rxb4 c5 dxc5
00:00:11.9	-1,69	11	1544180	Bxb4 Nd4 Qe1 Qb2 Nc2 Nxc2 Bxc2 Rxb4 c5 Rc4 Bd3 Rxc5
00:00:23.9	-1,69	12	3399109	Bxb4 Nd4 Qe1 Qb2 Nc2 Nxc2 Bxc2 Rxb4 c5 Rc4 Bd3 Rxc5
00:01:11.8	-2,29	13	11102282	Bxb4 Nd4 Qe1 Qb2 Bxd6 Nxf3+ gxf3 Qxb1
00:03:10.1	-2,59	14	30280611	Bxb4 Nd4 Qe1 Qb2 Bxd6 Nxf3+ gxf3 Qxb1

At this point I started typing my findings so here Pro Deo-august 2004 did not
have the whole CPU to itself anymore
00:11:12.0	-2,92	15	106121749	Bxb4 Nd4 Qe1 Qb2 Bxd6 Qxb1
00:29:48.5	-2,73	15	289687628	e5 Qxa3 e6 fxe6 Bxg6

I included the testposition in case you want to compare what you get with
default Pro Deo, if you set 28 MB hash. If the results differ, for default Pro
Deo I mean, apart from the times to complete a ply, I think that would be
strange...




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