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Subject: Re: Kasp says the better player wins in Random chess

Author: KarinsDad

Date: 07:01:48 01/15/99

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On January 15, 1999 at 09:51:01, Reynolds Takata wrote:

>Can programs autoplay each other in shuffle chess mode?  Also is there any sort
>of statistic that shows some correlation of a players regular rating with the
>shuffle chess rating?  Would a match between programs playing shuffle provide a
>better demonstration of a programs pure chess strenght(s) relative to other
>programs?

Yes, I don't know, and I would think so (with the possible exception of special
chess knowledge such as keeping the pawns in front of the king when castled; a
program could have a table lookup for that and it may fail if the king is on a1
originally or some such).

I partially disagree with Kasparov for the following reason: It has been
illustrated many times that a beginner chess player will look at a new position
and can then reset about 7 pieces up correctly on another board whereas a GM
will almost always set up the entire board correctly. However, if the pieces are
randomly placed on the board, the GM will also reset about 7 pieces correctly.
The major advantage that a GM has over a lower rated player is that the GM
recognizes more patterns. In shuffle chess, the patterns would often have a
tendency to be alien, even to a GM.

That does not mean that I think a lower rated player will consistently beat a
GM. There are other factors such as inspiration, memory, and determination which
separates the GM from the rest of the world. However, I think that shuffle chess
would be the great equalizer since stronger players would have a difficult time
using their opening and middlegame pattern recognition.

I think your idea to test shuffle chess out with computer programs is excellent.

KarinsDad :)



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