Author: Uri Blass
Date: 01:28:07 11/09/04
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On November 09, 2004 at 04:15:35, Uri Blass wrote: >On November 08, 2004 at 21:58:55, chandler yergin wrote: > >> (snip) >> >>On November. >>Without analysis Fritz 5.32 & Crafty also found 11. h5 with no problem. >> >>I just did it! >> >>>Fritz5.32 and Crafty cannot find 11.h5 in a short time >>>I checked and found that Fritz5.32 cannot find it in a reasonable time. >> >>They did for me.. NO Previous analysis > >> >> >>>The facts are that Crafty even cannot find 11.h5 after many hours based on >>>analysis that was posted here. >> >>Then someone did something wrong. > >It may be interesting to see your analysis. > >> >> >> >>>Of course it may find it if you use a special personality but I talk about the >>>default personality. >> >>I don't use personalities.. just factory settings! > >someone who used Crafty19.17 analyzed it for hours and it did not give the >correct result. > >I believe more him after seeing your analysis that is obvious result of >learning. > >> >> >>> >>>> >>>>You were expecting this? >>>> >>>>Ed - Rebel 12 >>>> [D]rnbq1rk1/pp1n1p1p/4p1p1/3pP1N1/1b1p1P1P/2NB4/PPP3P1/R1BQK2R w KQ - 0 1 >>>> >>>>Analysis by Shredder 8: >>>> >>>>11.Qh5 gxh5 12.Nxh7 >>>> -+ (-9.90) Depth: 1/4 00:00:00 >>>>11.Qh5 gxh5 12.Bxh7+ Kg7 >>>> -+ (-10.55) Depth: 1/4 00:00:00 >>>>11.Qh5 gxh5 12.Bxh7+ Kh8 >>>> -+ (-10.38) Depth: 1/5 00:00:00 >>>>11.0-0 dxc3 >>>> -+ (-5.13) Depth: 1/5 00:00:00 >>>>11.0-0 dxc3 >>>> -+ (-4.06) Depth: 1/5 00:00:00 >>>>11.0-0 dxc3 >>>> -+ (-4.04) Depth: 1/5 00:00:00 >>>>11.Bxg6 Bxc3+ 12.bxc3 hxg6 >>>> -+ (-4.00) Depth: 1/5 00:00:00 >>>>11.Bxg6 fxg6 12.Qxd4 >>>> -+ (-3.54) Depth: 1/5 00:00:00 >>>>11.Bxg6 fxg6 12.Nxe6 Bxc3+ 13.bxc3 >>>> -+ (-3.46) Depth: 1/7 00:00:00 >>>>11.h5 dxc3 >>>> ³ (-0.27) Depth: 1/7 00:00:00 >>>>11.h5 dxc3 >>>> ³ (-0.27) Depth: 1/7 00:00:00 >>>>11.h5 dxc3 >>>> ³ (-0.27) Depth: 2/2 00:00:00 >>>>11.h5 dxc3 >>>> ³ (-0.27) Depth: 3/3 00:00:00 >>>>11.h5 dxc3 >>>> ³ (-0.27) Depth: 4/4 00:00:00 >>>>11.h5 dxc3 >>>> ³ (-0.27) Depth: 5/8 00:00:00 >>>>11.h5 dxc3 >>>> ³ (-0.27) Depth: 6/14 00:00:00 >>>>11.h5 dxc3 >>>> ³ (-0.27) Depth: 7/10 00:00:00 6kN >>>>11.h5 dxc3 >>>> ³ (-0.27) Depth: 8/8 00:00:00 15kN >>>>11.h5 dxc3 >>>> ³ (-0.27) Depth: 9/12 00:00:00 16kN >>>>11.h5 dxc3 >>>> ³ (-0.27) Depth: 10/21 00:00:00 31kN >>>>11.h5 dxc3 >>>> ³ (-0.27) Depth: 11/24 00:00:00 64kN >>>>11.h5 dxc3 >>>> ³ (-0.27) Depth: 12/24 00:00:00 170kN >>>>11.h5 dxc3 >>>> ³ (-0.27) Depth: 13/20 00:00:01 337kN >>>>11.h5 dxc3 >>>> ³ (-0.27) Depth: 14/26 00:00:02 690kN >>>>11.h5 dxc3 >>>> ³ (-0.27) Depth: 15/32 00:00:05 1349kN >>>>11.h5 dxc3 >>>> ³ (-0.27) Depth: 16/30 00:00:08 2049kN >>>>11.h5 dxc3 >>>> ³ (-0.27) Depth: 17/42 00:00:18 5155kN >>>>11.h5 dxc3 >>>> ³ (-0.27) Depth: 18/40 00:00:28 8195kN >>>>11.h5 dxc3 >>>> ³ (-0.27) Depth: 19/37 00:00:46 13986kN >>>>11.h5 dxc3 12.hxg6 hxg6 13.a3 cxb2+ 14.axb4 bxa1Q 15.Rh8+ Kxh8 16.Bd2 Qxd1+ >>>>17.Kxd1 Nxe5 18.fxe5 Kg7 19.Bxg6 >>>> ³ (-0.52) Depth: 20/52 00:02:37 51108kN >>>> >>>>(Yergin, MyTown 08.11.2004) >>> >>>Score for 11.h5 goes down so shredder may change it's mind if you give it more >>>time. >> >>Propably will. >> >> >>>It clearly learned and your analysis now is different from previous analysis. >> >>No, that's what I got the first time.. > >No > >You should understand that it is not logical that the score and main line will >be constant at depthes 1-19 I can add that this is clearly not what you got the first time because you already analyzed the position with shredder earlier(not the first time) as the following post proves: see http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?395054 Shredder remember your analysis and from the previous analysis in that post Shredder8 learned that 11.h5 has -0.27 score at depth 19. It is not important if you turned off the computer later because shredder remember the move and score in it's learning file. The previous analysis is also obvious result of learning and shredder learned the -0.52 score. Uri
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