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Subject: Re: 64 bit --and chess of course

Author: Paul Byrne

Date: 20:20:34 12/16/04

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On December 16, 2004 at 22:23:49, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On December 16, 2004 at 20:56:56, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On December 16, 2004 at 18:25:42, Vincent Lejeune wrote:
>>
>>>On December 16, 2004 at 17:31:10, Scott Gasch wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 16, 2004 at 14:46:33, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On December 16, 2004 at 03:37:46, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On December 15, 2004 at 22:24:49, Alex  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Of course it would be foolish to buy a New computer now......  Micrsoft is going
>>>>>>>to present a 64 bit OS nest year, the Christmas prices of new computers will
>>>>>>>drop like a BRICK by Jan 1..........  But ! Let us speculate.... Hmmmmmmmmmm
>>>>>>>What will 64 bit DO for chesss programs ....Yes yes I KNOW AMD has New processor
>>>>>>>that does 64 bit..... but what is the difference ..reallY?  D
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Speed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You can expect programs to get 10-60% faster from 64 bit mode.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This is in addition to the Athlon64 already being so fast in 32 bit mode.
>>>>>
>>>>>Another potential advantage is the large address space.
>>>>>
>>>>>With terabytes of ram directly addressable, potentially totally new solution
>>>>>ideas may be formulated.
>>>>>
>>>>>For instance, you could memory map the 3-4-5 man tablebase files and lose the
>>>>>disk access penalty.  That might make them give a large Elo boost, while the
>>>>>disk access method for 32 bit systems seems to be about break even.
>>>>>
>>>>>You could have 20 GB hash tables.
>>>>>
>>>>>You could store (in ram) a large tree of every chess game ever played together
>>>>>with statistical information on each node.
>>>>
>>>>...of course this all assumes you have a machine with 20Gb of physical memory
>>>>and a chipset that supports that much RAM.  Until the cost of memory comes way
>>>>down, you won't see me mapping EGTB files (compressed or not) into memory. :)
>>>>
>>>>Scott
>>>
>>>I'd suggest 2 pen drive USB like this :
>>>http://www.supermediastore.com/pendrive-4gb-flash-drive.html
>>>
>>>Yes, no that cheap, but all 3-4-5 egtb way faster than disk
>>
>>
>>"faster than disk"?  What kind of disk do you use for your egtb's?  Floppy or
>>CDRom?  :)  The think you gave a link to is horribly slow compared to anything
>>except for CD/floppy drives...
>
>480Mbps seems pretty fast to me.
>What kind of disks are you using?
>;-)

They lie.  :)  I think 480 Mpbs is the limit for usb 2.0; nothing to do with
the actual speed... they mention 7 Mbps on that page.  Maybe 3 ms to read a
tablebase block?  I looked a while back with a similar idea, the latency
of those things was a millisecond or two also.  So it *might* be a little faster
than a hard drive, but if it is, it won't be by a huge amount...
-paul



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