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Subject: Re: Simply Brilliant

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 20:37:28 01/21/99

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On January 21, 1999 at 15:30:56, KarinsDad wrote:

>On January 21, 1999 at 13:42:05, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>>>Prof. Hyatt, the genuine chess fan recognizes the magic
>>>of Rxd4, can you understand so?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>only to a certain degree.  If it turns out that black has a forced win,
>>how is the sac remembered then?  IE if someone overlooks something and
>>hangs a pawn, but after it is taken, there turns out to be a winning attack,
>>was that oversight brilliant or sloppy?  That was my only point here.
>>
>>Kasparov loves that kind of move.  As do we all.  I'm only saying that many
>>times, such 'brilliant' moves turn out to be absolute lemons, once the defense
>>is found.  Can someone find such OTB?  Maybe or maybe not.  In the actual game?
>>No of course, as Kasparov won.  What about playing that against a computer?
>
>Robert,
>
>Think I have to step to the other side of the fence from you on this one.
>
>Moves like Rxd4 are the reason many people love chess.
>
>Playing portions of this game against a computer is irrelevant. Once computer
>programs become so great that they always win against humans, your question will
>have even less bearing. At that point in time, few people will care what the
>computer says about any given game (with the exception of for analysis) since
>all games with humans will be flawed with respect to the computer. A computer
>will always find mistakes between games between humans. Right now, that is not
>the case, so the question appears pertinent.
>
>If Crafty wins a computer/computer tournament against strong competition, would
>you not feel good about it? If it's games had slight imperfections that other
>computers found out under further analysis, would you be less happy with the
>result of winning the tournament?

Sorry, but you totally misread me.  Ask on ICC.  I'm much happier with a well-
played loss than I am with a blunderful win.   Because blunders won't always
be lucky enough to win, while good play will eventually prevail...



>
>The move is brilliant not because it is a guaranteed win, but rather because it
>contributed to winning the game in a spectacular way, both on the board and
>psychologically. It matters not whether a computer can detect that it is a
>lemon. It only matters that Topolov could not. Isn't that the beauty of playing
>chess?

A matter of perspective, I suppose.  But something about 'hoping the opponent
won't play the best moves' leaves me a bit cold, I think...



>
>If the move would have lost for Kasparov, most of the chess world would have
>admired Topolov for coming up with the refutation over the board and the
>sacrifice would have still been remembered. A footnote in chess history would
>have been made in either case. That also contributed to making the win brilliant
>(or at least spectacular).
>
>KarinsDad
>
>>  It
>>might have turned out even better for him.  Or it might have lost if the machine
>>played Rhe8 and that is good enough to hold on.
>>
>>Everyone knows my opinion of 'Kasparov, the man'.  I still respect and admire
>>'Kasparov, the chessplayer' however.  And this was only about 'the chessplayer'
>>and the move he played... was it good, bad, or just legal?
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Best regards, Jeroen



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