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Subject: Re: Solving Chess ... Refute this, and I might listen to ya...

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 01:21:24 01/21/05

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On January 21, 2005 at 03:33:21, Uri Blass wrote:

>On January 20, 2005 at 20:45:23, Dann Corbit wrote:
>
>>On January 20, 2005 at 20:04:22, Louis Fagliano wrote:
>>[snip]
>>>Actually 10^43rd power does not shrink at all.  You started out "shrinking" by
>>>throwing out idiotic moves when considering all possible chess games which is
>>>something like 10^120th power.  That number can be "shrunk" by throwing out
>>>idiotic games.  But 10^43rd power is the number is the number of legal positions
>>>in chess, not the number of different possible games since there are an
>>>inumberable ways of reaching any particular legal position by an inumberable
>>>number of different move orders.  The number of legal positions can never be
>>>"shrunken" because every legal position must be considered in order to solve
>>>chess regardless of whether or not the moves that preceeded it in order to reach
>>>that position were idiotic or masterful.
>>
>>10^43rd power can be shrunken by a factor of 4 through simple reflections of the
>>board.  Perhaps there are additional symmetry arguments that can reduce it
>>further.
>
>
>Where is the proof that 10^43 is correct?
>
>I read that Vincent claimed that it is correct but I saw no proof for it.
>I do not say that it is wrong but we need a link to some proof before claiming
>that it is at most 10^43

That is based upon 162 bits to encode the position.
I believe that you did a counter program which came up with a different figure.
Do you remember what it was?




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