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Subject: Re: Strange endgame play by S8

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 03:30:44 01/28/05

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On January 27, 2005 at 19:30:05, Anthony Cozzie wrote:

>On January 27, 2005 at 17:50:13, Richard Harrison wrote:
>
>>On January 27, 2005 at 17:40:47, Ricardo Gibert wrote:
>>
>>>On January 27, 2005 at 16:37:11, Richard Harrison wrote:
>>>
>>>>In the following position, Shredder 8 plays the blunder move 66. Qxf4??  This
>>>>move loses quickly. [After 15 minutes of thinking, still likes Qxf4]
>>>>
>>>>S7.04 does not deviate from 66. Qb2 and recognizes the draw instantly.  Ruffian
>>>>1.05 also plays Qb2 (0.00)
>>>>
>>>>What does your Shredder 8 play?
>>>>
>>>>[D]8/8/8/2K5/1Q3pP1/4nP2/3pk3/8 w - - 0 66
>>>
>>>KQNKQ is generally an easy draw with some exceptional cases. Qxf4 reaches such
>>>an ending with 2 extra pawns to boot, so I can't fault Qxf4. I can't see
>>>anything particularly wrong with the choice. Why do you think this is a blunder?
>>>Bear in mind that engines might return a large negative score in endings that
>>>are easy draws.
>>
>>Yes, I do agree with you.  After 66. Qxf4 d1(Q), white will have a difficult
>>time just trying to gain a draw.  66. Qb2 draws instantly.
>>
>>Apparently, from other responses, S8 in the ChessBase GUI does play 66. Qb2.
>>I'd like to find out from someone using the classic GUI what Shredder prefers.
>
>
>Drawing Q vs QN is not really that difficult, especially for a computer with
>5-man tables ;)
>
>anthony

Yes but here it has to draw QPP vs QN and there may be ideas to win without
capturing the pawns first.

Not every KQN vs KQ is a draw and the same for KQN vs KQPP.

There may be positions when the pawns of white even prevent important square
from the white queen and cause the loss.

I believe that the KQN vs KQPP position is a draw but I am not sure enough to
call it a draw.

Uri



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