Author: Stefan Meyer-Kahlen
Date: 00:54:22 02/01/05
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On February 01, 2005 at 02:37:20, Odd Gunnar Malin wrote: >On January 31, 2005 at 14:25:52, Vladyslav Kosulin wrote: > >>Sandro, >>Both Chessbase and your announcements raise serious doubts on where we're headed >>to. >>In ideal world we'd have a list of GUI choices (ChessBase, ChessAssistant, >>ChessPartner, Chess Academy, Chess Informant Expert, Arena, Winboard/Xboard, >>jose, Shredder Classic, etc), a list of engines (hundreds to mention), a list of >>database formats, and a list of interfaces (UCI, winboard, ChessBase). Also in >>this world we'd be able to combine the pieces (GUI and engine) as we prefer >>using protocols and file formats they support. >>Unfortunately, Chessbase is commercially successful in tying GUI and engines: I >>can't get Junior working outside the Fritz GUI. Also, even already having Fritz >>GUI (like Deep Junior 9), I have to pay full price for another engine like Deep >>Shredder 9. This is Chessbase decision, and I am sure they will become more >>flexible if they feel the increased pressure from competitors, and not before. >>As a matter of fact, both Shredder implementations (Chessbase and UCI) are >>direct competitors, and I believe, you get more money from selling Shredder with >>classic GUI than from selling with Chessbase GUI. But because of market >>situation there is no doubt, Chessbase version will be more successful, and one >>of main reasons is you try to put engine and classic GUI together: I'd like to >>use your engine with both Chessbase and ChessAssistant, but there is no way to >>buy engine without GUI, which is useless for me, and there is no way to use your >>book outside of your GUI, which is (again) useless for me. As a result, if I go >>with Chessbase version, I can't use it with UCI GUI, and if I buy your UCI >>version, I can't use your book at all! >>This means I lose anyway. Even if I pay $225 to get both Deep versions, I still >>get only limited functionality for extra price. And I don't like it. And this >>means I am not going to buy it. > > >Just wonder why you want to use the engine outside its own enviroment. >If you buy Shredder Classic (9 UCI) you allready have a good interface to play >your game at. Good method to lower down the playing strength, very good to play >blindfold, easy to play thematic games. And if Mr. Necchi book isn't wide enough >in your pet line it is easy to create your own book for your training session. > >There is one thing that isn't clear by the add. I have seen, this is if Shredder >9 is able to use the UCI(2) method of lowering down the strength, but hopefully >he add the classic engine to the package if this isn't true. Else I would go for >SC 1.2 and upgrade to S 9 if I didn't have SC 1.1 allready. Yes, (Deep) Shredder 9 UCI will certainly support this feature. Stefan
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