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Subject: Re: Moderation/ the end of "swami" name calling ....

Author: Mike Byrne

Date: 09:55:16 02/04/05

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On February 04, 2005 at 12:16:53, Anthony Cozzie wrote:

>On February 04, 2005 at 02:56:26, Mike Byrne wrote:
>
>>The moderators recently received a post from a young man  who made a very
>>convincing argument that we should not allowed CCC members to call another CCC
>>member "swami".
>>
>>The argument is that it was degrading and insulting to those members who come
>>from India.   The question was raised if would we allow other ethnic groups to
>>be simliarly harassed.
>>
>>For example, without going into all the specific examples, would we allow any
>>ethnic group to be harras in a similiar fashion?  The answer is no.   Mitigating
>>this somewhat, we did have a member named "swami" who became infamous for trying
>>to obtain engines illegally.  I believe most of the references were made to
>>those who posted like "swami" and not becauae a member was from India.
>>Nonetheless, new members do not understand the "swami" history and we should
>>stop it.   Our members from India find this "swami" name calling  degrading.
>>Would we allow people to call our members , kraut, nazi, kite, hunky,dago,polak
>>etc.  The answer is no and we should not longer allow "swami" either.
>>
>>So I'm asking everyone to simply stop calling any member "swami" - although I
>>realize the tempation is there, it is simply not the right way for us to treat
>>our fellow CCC Indian members.
>>
>>Thanks for your understanding and cooperation.
>>
>>Best,
>>
>>Michael Byrne
>
>Since this post is clearly aimed at me, I would like to make something very
>clear:  I am not using the term as some strage sort of racial slur, but as an
>abbreviation of "Swaminathan", as I believe that Swaminathan Natarajan, Vikrant
>Malvankar, Madhavan, and Adam Wilks are all aliases of the same idiot.  Not only
>do they all share the same complete lack of interesting information and poor use
>of the English language, but I have seen "conversations" by this moron where he
>signs "Vikrant" to his Madhavan account and vice versa.
>
>Perhaps I will be proven wrong, but I'd be very curious to see IP and traceroute
>logs for those accounts.
>
>anthony

Anthony,

Two things, I have not ever made a mental note of who was posting what with
respect to calling someone 'swami" - so my post was not directed at anyone in
particular.  I also never perceived it as being racist or sladerous against a
group of people or cultures.  Like you, I thought it was making reference to a
ubiqitious charcater who kept reappearing.

But since it has been brought to my attention that it could be perceived a
derogatory comment about a specific group -I figure I would nip it in the bud
without accusing anyone of anything - a simple request that I think we should
stop with the swami remarks and let's move on.

That is all.

best,

Michael



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