Author: KarinsDad
Date: 15:08:20 01/28/99
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On January 28, 1999 at 12:24:59, Howard Exner wrote: >On January 28, 1999 at 10:04:36, Harald Faber wrote: > >>On January 28, 1999 at 09:13:00, Howard Exner wrote: >> >>>>Try out shuffle-chess against Hiarcs e.g. and you'll see it overplays you in a >>>>nice way. :-) >>> >>>They beat me consistently in normal chess already. I think in shuffle chess >>>I would even do worse. All the familiar patterns for me would be gone. >>>The computer on the other hand would just blissfully go about its >>>calculating business. >> >>It is not only calculating... >> >>> What is the consensus on humans vs computers >>>in shuffle chess? Would an IM for example have a better chance in regular >>>or shuffle chess? Any data out there or opinions expressed by those who >>>play shuffle chess? >> >>For IMs and GMs it should be easier to win because programs depend a lot on >>their opening books. Look what they play withoug opening book. For us patzers >>strong enough but masters know what and why they play... > >As we have moved away from the original topic I hope you don't >mind that I changed the thread name. My way of thinking about humans vs >computers at shuffle chess is different. Both are stripped of opening knowledge >but who will be more at home in the chaos of the shuffle chess position? >I liken it to composed problems. Computers treat these complex, weird looking >positions no differently than they do other more familiar positions as >those found in regular play. Humans on the other hand find such positions >disorienting. For humans our strength in chess is to a larger degree dependent >on pattern recognition and familiar themes. Computers while also >having chess knowledge are known more for their number crunching >skills.Therefore I think humans may suffer more from the chaotic shuffle chess >opening position. > > I'm not sure how popular this form of chess is for IM's >but if anyone has some games to share I'd be interested. I agree. Additionally, if shuffle chess every became popular (heaven forbid: from a diehard chess player), then the programs would be re-written in due time to play better opening moves (as opposed to getting them out of a book which is just easier to program). KarinsDad
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