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Subject: Re: Toga II appears to be much more than a Fruit clone

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 05:27:00 04/01/05

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On April 01, 2005 at 02:59:08, Fabien Letouzey wrote:

>On March 31, 2005 at 18:51:07, Günther Simon wrote:
>
>>Absolutely agreed! Admitting to be a cloner doesn't make it better IMO.
>>Even if the few code changes (simple ones on a high level) really have
>>an impact of around 40-50 ELO, I am quite sure Fabien would have
>>tried the same techniques sooner or later, _if_ he had the time, but AFAIK
>>he has very little time currently in developing Fruit.
>>IMO the 'Toga extensions' just robbed Fruit's future...
>
>>Guenther
>
>You are correct that I would have tried similar additions, eventually.  Many
>common heuristics have been left out from Fruit, which does not mean I am not
>aware of them of course.
>
>But please everybody, look at it this way:
>
>At the moment I am not working on Fruit, somebody else is (in a way).
>(Note: don't worry, I will come back to chess).
>
>So:
>
>* Users who want to can access a strong(er) free engine (beneficial)
>* Others (TDs) can refuse to include it in their tests, since the status is
>clear (in the worst case: same as before)
>* Programmers can have a look at the changes made from Fruit to Toga and ponder
>whether it could be useful for them as well (unfortunately they are likely to
>already have similar code in their engine).
>* *I* too can benefit from Thomas' ideas (e.g. as a clue that I should try these
>first)
>
>I see the best of both worlds, who has been harmed?  Not me, so who else?
>
>Fabien.

If both fruit and Toga play in a tournament that only one author is allowed to
play then other authors can suffer from it.

I think that the main problem is that the name of Toga does not begin with
Fruit.

If Toga is better than Fruit then I think that Toga should play in the premier
division of Leo instead of Fruit.

Uri



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