Author: chandler yergin
Date: 15:43:00 04/21/05
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On April 20, 2005 at 12:42:43, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On April 20, 2005 at 12:15:58, chandler yergin wrote: > >>On April 20, 2005 at 08:44:16, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On April 20, 2005 at 07:59:35, chandler yergin wrote: >>> >>>>On April 19, 2005 at 22:13:28, Mike Byrne wrote: >>>> >>>>>On April 19, 2005 at 22:02:32, chandler yergin wrote: >>>>> >>>>>ahem ...(cough) -- I see you quoted Hsu's book and your putting things to rest. >>>>> >>>>>Was there any other point you were trying to make? >>>> >>>>It should be obvious that the few quotes given, refute the claims of Hyatt, >>>>exposes his obvious bias, and his libelous, ignorant, innaccurate, speculations >>>>and attempts to demean the greatest Chess Player in History! >>>>IMO, his lack of objectivity, & logic leaves much to be desired. >>>>He has taken things to a personal level with Posters that do not agree with some >>>>of his absurd comments. >>>>In regard to some of the technical apsects of Programming, he has misled >>>>with willful intent to deceive. >>>> >>>> >>> >>>care to explain the above characterization? The rules didn't require them to >>>give him printouts. They required them to give him all "publicly played games" >>>of which there were exactly _zero_ to give him. >> >>As I so Posted! >>"Pg 207 >> The match contract explicitly obliged the Deep Blue team to provide, when >>requested, the scores of all our public tournament games. >> >>"True, he did not have access to games played by the newest version of the >>program." >> >> What don't you understand here? > >I understand perfectly. You, on the other hand do _not_. > >Question 1: Do you realize that there were _zero_ "public games" played by DB >prior to the kasparov match? That is _zero_. Not one. Not ten. But _zero_. >SO there were _no_ public games to give him. Why is that so hard to grasp? >They gave him zero because there were only zero to give. Jeez, talk about being >thick-headed and lacking in reading comprehension... > > >> >>He asked that the Logs be given in a sealed Folder to the Arbiter for later >>examination. > >They were. Ken Thompson and others looked at the logs on the spot. But they >were not given to kasparov. Would kasparov have told the deep blue team what >opening he was going to try for the next game? Or why he played a particular >move? Of course not. And the DB team didn't have any obligation to inform >Kasparov of those details about what DB would do either, for the same reason. >And the logs _would_ have shown far too much. > > >> >>"Granting him direct access to Deep Blue's game logs would be equivilent to >>giving him Deep Blue's silicon head on a silver platter, with $700,000 on the >>side." >> >>> >>>Please learn to read, with a dictionary handy, so that you can understand what >>>is being said... >> >> >>> >>>then your childish comments won't make you look like an idiot... >> >>My Quote: >>"He has taken things to a personal level with Posters that do not agree with >>some of his absurd comments." >> >>Thanks for proving my point! > >Actually, you have done quite well yourself. You've shown you can't read. That >you have no idea of what went on. And that you have no capability of looking at >the logs for yourself and coming to the obvious conclusion that there was no >cheating of any kind involved. Horse Pucky! Of course, your agenda is not truth, so that >isn't a surprise. More Programmer BS! CRAP! If you Programmers want a make a machine that plays Grandmaster Chess, then DO IT! Do NOT Program your Opening Books to play against a "Particular" player. Kasparov was "sandbagged" from the beginning . and you know DAMN WELL that was the point! For Kasparov to play his 'best' lines, was to be playing against himself, and others over ELO 2700! Are you DENSE? Yes, I guess so..! > > >> >>"In regard to some of the technical aspects of Programming, he has misled >>with willful intent to deceive." >> >>and you have.. >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>>>>...just wondering... >>>> >>>>Wonder no more.. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>Best, >>>>> >>>>>Michael >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Let's put some stuff to rest here.. >>>>>> >>>>>>Quoting from FENG-HSIUNG HSU's Book >>>>>> >>>>>>"Behind Deep Blue" >>>>>> >>>>>>Pg 207 >>>>>> The match contract explicitly obliged the Deep Blue team to provide, when >>>>>>requested, the scores of all our public tournament games. >>>>>> >>>>>>True, he did not have access to games played by the newest version of the >>>>>>program. >>>>>> >>>>>>We wanted to be fair, but to give Garry games from our pre-match training would >>>>>>have placed us at a serious disadvantage. >>>>>> >>>>>>Pg 219. >>>>>> >>>>>>The chess books I had only gave cursory treatments on the positional play of the >>>>>>Queen >>>>>>After this game Joe wrote some simple code on where the Queen should be placed. >>>>>> >>>>>>Pg 220. >>>>>> >>>>>>An automatic tuning run for the evaluation function pointed out to us that the >>>>>>weighting for one class of King Safety should be increased. >>>>>> >>>>>>Pg224. >>>>>> >>>>>>The morning before game 2, the team debated whether we should make changes >>>>>>to Deep Blue's evaluation function. Joe had already 'fixed' the bug responsible >>>>>>for the last move in game 1, but there were other changes we needed to look >>>>>>into. >>>>>> >>>>>>Pg 238. >>>>>> >>>>>>The penalty for Bishops being shut out from the game was increased after this >>>>>>game. >>>>>> >>>>>>Pg 243. >>>>>> >>>>>>Granting him direct access to Deep Blue's game logs would be equivilent to >>>>>>giving him Deep Blue's silicon head on a silver platter, with $700,000 on the >>>>>>side. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, enough Quotes.. >>>>>>Read the BOOK!
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