Author: chandler yergin
Date: 17:34:15 04/23/05
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On April 23, 2005 at 19:56:19, John Merlino wrote:
>On April 23, 2005 at 15:57:10, chandler yergin wrote:
>
>>On April 23, 2005 at 13:43:10, Günther Simon wrote:
>>
>>>On April 23, 2005 at 10:40:50, chandler yergin wrote:
>>>
>>>>Programmers help me out here please.
>>>>
>>>>Computers are so materialistic, why wouldn't Fritz capture the Bishop?
>>>>
>>>>Very Odd play
>>>>
>>>>[D]8/6k1/7p/7p/2K5/4p3/3B1b2/8 w - - 0 1
>>>>
>>>>New game,
>>>>[D]8/6k1/7p/7p/2K5/4p3/3B1b2/8 w - - 0 1
>>>>
>>>>Analysis by Fritz 8:
>>>>
>>>>1.Bxe3 Bg3 2.Bd4+ Kg6 3.Bf6 Kf5 4.Kd5
>>>> µ (-0.97) Depth: 5/11 00:00:00 1kN
>>>>1.Bxe3 Bg3 2.Bd4+ Kg6 3.Bf6 Kf5 4.Kd5
>>>> µ (-0.97) Depth: 5/11 00:00:00 1kN
>>>>1.Bxe3 Bg3 2.Bd4+ Kg6 3.Bf6 Kf5 4.Kd5
>>>> µ (-0.97) Depth: 5/11 00:00:00 1kN
>>>>1.Bxe3 Bg3 2.Kd5 h4 3.Bf4 Kf6 4.Ke4
>>>> µ (-1.16) Depth: 7/11 00:00:01 6kN, tb=2
>>>>1.Bxe3 Bg3 2.Kd5 h4 3.Bf4 Kf6 4.Ke4
>>>> µ (-1.16) Depth: 7/11 00:00:01 6kN, tb=2
>>>>1.Bxe3 Bg3 2.Bd4+ Kg6 3.Bf6 Kf5 4.Kd5 Kf4 5.Bd4
>>>> µ (-1.00) Depth: 8/13 00:00:02 14kN, tb=5
>>>>1.Bxe3 Bg3 2.Bd4+ Kg6 3.Bf6 Kf5 4.Kd5 Kf4 5.Be5+ Kf3 6.Bd4
>>>> µ (-1.00) Depth: 9/15 00:00:05 29kN, tb=25
>>>>1.Bxe3 Bg3 2.Bd4+ Kg6 3.Bf6 Kf5 4.Kd3 Kf4 5.Ke2 Ke4 6.Bh4
>>>> µ (-1.00) Depth: 10/18 00:00:06 53kN, tb=55
>>>>1.Bxe3 Bg3 2.Kd5 h4 3.Bf4 Bf2 4.Ke4 h3 5.Kf3 Bg1 6.Bh2
>>>> µ (-0.84) Depth: 11/17 00:00:10 121kN, tb=162
>>>>1.Bxe3 Bg3 2.Bf4 h4 3.Kd4 Kg6 4.Ke4 Kh5 5.Kf3 Be1 6.Be5 h3 7.Ke4
>>>> µ (-0.81) Depth: 12/17 00:00:15 236kN, tb=285
>>>>1.Bxe3 Bg3 2.Bf2 h4 3.Kd3 h5 4.Ke2 Kf7 5.Kf3 Bd6 6.Bxh4 Ke6 7.Ke4 Be5 8.Bf6
>>>> ³ (-0.59) Depth: 13/19 00:00:22 536kN, tb=864
>>>>1.Bxe3 Bg3 2.Bf2 h4 3.Kd3 h5 4.Ke2 Kf7 5.Kf3 Bd6 6.Bxh4 Ke6 7.Ke4 Be5 8.Bf6
>>>> ³ (-0.59) Depth: 14/19 00:00:23 797kN, tb=1393
>>>>1.Bxe3!
>>>> ³ (-0.31) Depth: 15/21 00:00:32 1754kN, tb=3140
>>>>1.Bxe3!
>>>> = (-0.03) Depth: 16/21 00:00:33 2424kN, tb=4555
>>>>1.Bxe3 Bg3 2.Kd3 h4 3.Bf2 h5 4.Ke2 Kf7 5.Kf3 Bd6 6.Bxh4 Ke6 7.Ke4 Be5 8.Bf6
>>>> = (0.00) Depth: 17/21 00:00:36 3211kN, tb=7269
>>>>1.Bxe3 Bg3 2.Kd3 h4 3.Bf2 h5 4.Ke2 Kf7 5.Kf3 Bd6 6.Bxh4 Ke6 7.Ke4 Be5 8.Bf6
>>>> = (0.00) Depth: 18/21 00:00:38 3872kN, tb=9522
>>>>1.Bxe3 Bg3 2.Kd3 h4 3.Bf2 h5 4.Ke2 Kf7 5.Kf3 Bd6 6.Bxh4 Ke6 7.Ke4 Be5 8.Bf6
>>>> = (0.00) Depth: 19/24 00:00:43 5301kN, tb=15314
>>>>1.Bxe3 Bg3 2.Kd3 h4 3.Bf2 h5 4.Ke2 Kf7 5.Kf3 Bd6 6.Bxh4 Ke6 7.Ke4 Be5 8.Bf6
>>>> = (0.00) Depth: 20/24 00:00:47 8341kN, tb=23421
>>>>1.Bxe3 Bg3 2.Kd3 h4 3.Bf2 h5 4.Ke2 Kf7 5.Kf3 Bd6 6.Bxh4 Ke6 7.Ke4 Be5 8.Kf3
>>>> = (0.00) Depth: 21/25 00:01:02 13559kN, tb=39189
>>>>1.Bxe3 Bg3 2.Kd3 h4 3.Bf2 h5 4.Ke2 Kf7 5.Kf3 Bd6 6.Bxh4 Ke6 7.Ke4 Be5 8.Kf3
>>>> = (0.00) Depth: 22/26 00:01:16 24273kN, tb=60151
>>>>1.Bxe3 Bg3 2.Kd3 h4 3.Bf2 h5 4.Ke2 Kf7 5.Kf3 Bd6 6.Bxh4 Ke6 7.Ke4 Be5 8.Kf3
>>>> = (0.00) Depth: 23/29 00:01:54 42568kN, tb=114394
>>>>1.Bxe3 Bg3 2.Kd3 h4 3.Bf2 h5 4.Ke2 Kf7 5.Kf3 Bd6 6.Bxh4 Ke6 7.Ke4 Be5 8.Kf3
>>>> = (0.00) Depth: 24/30 00:03:11 91351kN, tb=191512
>>>>1.Bxe3 Bg3 2.Kd3 h4 3.Bf2 h5 4.Ke2 Kf7 5.Kf3 Bd6 6.Bxh4 Ke6 7.Ke4 Be5 8.Kf3
>>>> = (0.00) Depth: 25/30 00:05:56 150027kN, tb=307376
>>>>
>>>>(, 23.04.2005)
>>>>
>>>>Why would the Program not capture the White Bishop?
>>>
>>>
>>>I really don't understand your strange posts in the last time?
>>>It is draw anyway, if you want it to play otherwise here, just
>>>disable the tablebases and it will remain materialistic.
>>
>>You can try to explain it.. you can try to defend it..
>>
>>I say..
>>
>>It's BUG! The Programmers should fix it!
>
>It is not in any conceivable way a bug. No matter whether the program takes the
>Bishop or not, the game is a draw. How, then, can one move be better than
>another?
>
>First you say that computers are materialistic (which sounds like a derogatory
>comment), then you complain when they DON'T play materialistically?
Not at all... Material is everything! You can't win a game without a material
advantage or positional compensation equal to or better than.
>
>According to you, White MUST capture Black's Queen in this position:
Not according to me! That's just an even trade!
What don't you understand about that?
Do you think a Grandmaster would not have taken the Bishop?
Or a Beginner?
Or any Human Chess Player?
>
>[D]k7/1q6/8/3Q4/P7/K7/8/8 w - - 0 1
>
>But it's a draw anyway, so why should it matter if White plays Qxb7+ or any
>other drawing move?
>
>The answer is that it doesn't matter at all.
>
>jm
THe point is that humans and Computers do not play the same.
Computers don't have intelligence!
It shows!
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