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Subject: Re: Kasparov [HBR interview] : 'IBM committed a crime against science.'

Author: Rolf Tueschen

Date: 03:55:43 04/28/05

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On April 27, 2005 at 22:07:31, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On April 27, 2005 at 18:16:57, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
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>>On April 27, 2005 at 17:48:53, Matthew Hull wrote:
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>>>On April 27, 2005 at 17:05:21, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>>>
>>>>On April 26, 2005 at 15:59:11, Steven Edwards wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I'm sure that issue was covered in the match contract.  In computer chess events
>>>>>for nearly three decades prior to the event, adjustments made between games were
>>>>>permitted.
>>>>
>>>>And this is the cancer that destroys honest computer vs human chess.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Kasparov knew what he was doing, particularly in the second match
>>>>>after his experience with the first.
>>>>
>>>>Interesting to write what Kasparov knew. We should better deal with what the
>>>>computerchess people knew. Apparently they didn't really know what they are
>>>>doing. And that for decades already. Ok, humans never really cared that much
>>>>because the overall chess emulation wasn't strong enough to be considered for
>>>>serious. But if compuerchess is propagating the superiority over human chess
>>>>things should be clarified a bit...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Kasparov is being a sore loser and is unhappy because he didn't get a third
>>>>>match and the money that would have come with it.  He's appears to be trying to
>>>>>help draw attention to himself for his political asperations that have nothing
>>>>>to do with chess, and he's making Valdimir Putin look good by comparison.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>For sure Kasparov isn't a sore loser when it was Hsu&IBM who deconstructed the
>>>>machine so that no further tests could be made. Scientifically this is a crime
>>>>(that is what Kasparov is saying in the quoted interview). Whith whom Kasparov
>>>>should have made a third match? With people who betray their own science?
>>>
>>>
>>>Unfair.  It was not Hsu decision to "deconstruct" the machine.  But you blame
>>>him anyway.  Why do you do this?  It is completely unfair.
>>>
>>>You use this to claim Hsu cheated science.  But your claim is bogus because Hsu
>>>had NO CONTROL over that.
>>
>>
>>You make me laugh and shed tears. A scientist who has no control over his
>>science is no scientist! A scientist who sold his moral to economy has lost his
>>status of scientist. This is so trivial and sad to know that this could happen
>>in our field of computerchess.
>>
>>
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>>>
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>Then I guess _none_ of us are "scientists".  After we won the 1983 and 1986 WCCC
>events running on a cray, the machines were taken apart and shipped to
>customers.  I could not have used them again.  Ditto for every year we ran on a
>Cray.  The CCT before last, where I used the 4-opteron box from AMD was the
>same, the machine was gone a week after the event.
>
>This is _very_ common, and is _not_ "unscientific" in the least...
>

It's understandable but still it's false. You always confuse mere computerchess
events with computerchess vs human chess! I see that you are not prepared for
real competition between computers and Man. :)





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>>>Give it up, Rolf.  You can't fool anybody with such poor logic built upon false
>>>premises.
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>>>>That
>>>>Kasparov is not a politician, this is a different question. I would agree! He's
>>>>not.



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