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Subject: Re: question about 50 move rule, 6 man egtb, and Fide rules

Author: Helmut Conrady

Date: 11:17:57 05/12/05

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On May 12, 2005 at 14:09:32, Dieter Buerssner wrote:

>On May 12, 2005 at 06:08:22, Rafael Andrist wrote:
>
>>On May 12, 2005 at 04:46:43, Walter Faxon wrote:
>>
>>>Have any egtb's been generated with the current rule in mind?
>>
>>Yes. Search the CCC archives for "DTZ"
>
>One might note, that pure DTZ is not enough in general - for example for kqpkp.
>But a slightly changed DTZ generator (perhaps together with some additional
>logic in the access routines to take the half move counter into account) can do
>it.
>
>However, in positions, that don't result from an immediate capture or pawn push,
>the problem will be pretty unsolvable. (Normal TBs cannot do it either, even
>when not considering the 50 moves rule, because you might have had a repetition
>already on the path to this position, and the shown mate might go through
>another repetition. In games played from start to end by an engine with TBs this
>will never be a problem).
>
>Regards,
>Dieter

The best metric according to the rules is DTZ50. Rafaels program "Wilhelm" can
access thoes databases very well. (You might know that.) I have written
something about this in the German magazine CSS.

Helmut



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