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Subject: Re: question about 50 move rule, 6 man egtb, and Fide rules

Author: Helmut Conrady

Date: 11:19:43 05/12/05

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On May 12, 2005 at 09:11:01, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On May 12, 2005 at 08:53:58, jefkaan wrote:
>
>>On May 11, 2005 at 21:52:59, Terry McCracken wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Hi Dann, imo his question was open to programers, even though he addressed  Dr.
>>>Hyatt.
>>
>>yep, that was the case indeed, but maybe i didn't formulate it
>>precise enough; see my next question below
>>
>>>Taking it to e-mail may not be wrong, but it seems anyone with an informed
>>>thought out answer would suffice.
>>
>>indeed, even Vincent, but personally i wouldn't be interested in
>>whether the current Fide rules fundamentally are correct or not,
>>if you know what i mean..
>>
>>thanks first of all about notifying me that also the 6 man egtb
>>are keeping the 50 move rule in mind (with the exception as Dann C)
>>pointed out that they dont have a move history); simply didnt know that,
>>as i'm not using the 6 man thing yet, just contemplating it
>>(via Internet either with Shredder 9 or Chess Assist8.1, eg
>>for endgame studies).
>>
>>secondly, wouldnt it be interesting as an option to discard
>>the Fide 50 move rule, in case there are force mates in
>>a higher number of moves ? Personally i think that would
>>be interesting; and when playing with a comp, an
>>interface or the server could anyway decide on the
>>50 move drawing ruling; ofcourse the eval
>>would be wrong (eg saying mate in 190 or so) but
>>when the opponent, not having the 6 man bases, would
>>play erroneous moves, you might be lucky anyway,
>>arriving at mate within the 50 moves.
>
>That is still a mate then.  And rules could be relaxed for computers because
>they do not tire like people do.  The rule was formulated so that people would
>not demand to play on and on and on while not making any progress.  The
>computers will know exactly what to do and with an n-man tablebase can play
>instantly when the board has only n men on it.
>
>On the other hand, you might say that if you have battled to the point where the
>opponent cannot defeat you within 100 non-reversible moves then you have earned
>a draw.
>
>In order to change the rule, there would have to be some kind of consensus.
>
>>last stupid question:
>>are the 6 man tables now complete ?
>
>No.  A long way to go.
>
>>any plans in the future for some 7 man tables ?
>>:)
>
>It is inevitable.  But they will have to wait until the six man files are
>complete, because the larger tables rely upon those tables beneath them.

Not in any case. For a pawnless 7 man, you don t need ALL 6 man before.

Helmut



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