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Subject: Re: misunderstanding of position by humans

Author: Vasik Rajlich

Date: 03:10:39 05/20/05

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On May 20, 2005 at 04:27:30, Uri Blass wrote:

>[D]8/p2knpb1/1p4p1/1Ppp2P1/P3PP2/2PKB3/4B3/8 w - - 0 33
>
>The following position is from my last game in the israeli league.
>
>I had 20 minutes on the clock against more than 30 minutes of my opponent and
>after not seeing a way to win the game I played
>33.Bg4+ and offered a draw.

Uri --

you need to be more patient! White is better here and can never lose. Just play
something solid and let your opponent screw it up.

Vas

>
>My opponent declined the draw and replied 33...Kc7
>
>I continued 34.e5 Bf8 35.Bf3 Kd7 36.Bg4+ Kc7 37.Bf3 Kb8 38.Bg2 Kc7 and now I
>claimed a draw because my 39 move force 3 time repetition.
>
>[D]5b2/p1k1np2/1p4p1/1PppP1P1/P4P2/2PKBB2/8/8 b - - 0 39
>
>My opponent did not agree and claimed that there was no 3 time repetition.
>He also claimed that he has the better position and he plans to win the game.
>
>He was forced to get a draw because of the repetition but when we analyzed the
>game he claimed that the knight is better than the bishop and my bishop is
>passive when his bishop can go to a3 after c4.
>
>I was surprised by this claim and I am sure that every computer have no problem
>of misunderstanding that white is better.
>
>If I knew that my opponent thinks that he has the better position I would
>continue without claiming a draw and I believe that in that case I had good
>chances to win inspite of my evaluation that the position is objectively a draw.
>
>I thought that the reason that my opponent refused to draw is to try to win on
>time and inspite of being sure that I can hold it I did not want to spend time
>on lines like 39.Bf3 Kd7 40.Bg4+ Nf5 when again I did not see a way to win.
>
>My opponent thought to play 39...c4+ in case that I play 39.Bf3 without claiming
>a draw and like the computer I think that it is bad.
>
>I could not prove a win for white after 39...c4+ but white can win material and
>maybe also the game.
>
>
>
>Analyzing with shredder gives another idea to try to win the game without Bf3
>
>39.a5 Kd7 40.a6 Bg7?(of course 40...Kc7 is better) when the sacrifice 41.Bxc5 is
>probably winning
>
>I still could not find a win for white against correct defence and I am
>interested to know if white can win.
>
>I give this position also to demonstrate that humans are not always superior
>relative to computers in positional understanding and at least the human that I
>played against him did not do tactical mistakes in the game(he has israeli
>rating of 1990 that is equivalent to the same fide rating) but he totally
>misunderstood the position.
>
>Uri



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