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Subject: Re: Semi-OT Go programming

Author: Vasik Rajlich

Date: 10:07:09 05/25/05

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On May 25, 2005 at 09:41:28, Uri Blass wrote:

>On May 25, 2005 at 09:10:36, Vasik Rajlich wrote:
>
>>On May 25, 2005 at 06:13:54, Tord Romstad wrote:
>>
>>>On May 25, 2005 at 01:21:18, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 25, 2005 at 00:54:06, Joshua Shriver wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Just curious has any engine developers here tried or have an interest in Go
>>>>>engine programming?
>>>>
>>>>My main difficulty is that I would hate to labor ten years to produce something
>>>>that does not play as well as a good five year old Go player.
>>>
>>>I have the same problem.  I am very interested in Go programming, but
>>>currently the tremendous difficulties scare me.
>>>
>>>On the other hand, computer chess is rapidly becoming too easy as the CPU
>>>speeds increase.  Straightforward, unoptimised implementations of a handful
>>>of simple and well-known algorithms is sufficient to beat all but a tiny
>>>fraction of the world's chess players.  No creativity and nothing more than
>>>the most basic programming skills is really needed.  I find this rather
>>>depressing, and my interest in chess programming is slowly waning.
>>>
>>>Shogi looks like it has the perfect balance.  It is sufficiently difficult
>>>to be a very interesting programming challenge, but does not look impossibly
>>>difficult (like go).  At the moment there is an equivalent to the UCI or
>>>xboard protocol for Shogi and a few nice GUIs for the major operating
>>>systems, I will probably instantly abandon chess programming and start
>>>writing a shogi program instead.
>>>
>>>>I have nosed around in it.  My other problem is that I don't play Go myself, so
>>>>it does not have the same fascination in that direction.
>>>
>>>If you have a go club in your neighborhood, I would very much recommend
>>>trying it.  The game is much more fun to play than chess, IMHO.
>>>
>>
>>I think that which game you prefer is a sort of basic personality test, for
>>whether you like
>>
>>1) short-term or long-term thinking
>>2) clear-cut or open-ended problems
>>3) clear or vague feedback
>>4) to move from one micro-problem to another or to stick to one persistent theme
>>
>>etc ..
>>
>>Apparently it's been shown that chess players use only one half of their brains
>>during play (the half responsible for logical thinking), while go players use
>>both halves.
>>
>>Vas
>
>I think that both Chess and Go are based on logical thinking.
>
>If half of the brain is not responsible for logical thinking then I do not
>understand how it can be used for go or for every thinking game.
>
>Uri

The study is a URL from hell:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6SYV-46YJ540-4&_coverDate=03%2F31%2F2003&_alid=82770164&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_qd=1&_cdi=4844&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=8b624f42de7fab3d239e9b6704715b26

If this doesn't work, go to:

http://senseis.xmp.net/?Psychology

and click on

"A functional MRI study of high-level cognition -II. The game of GO."

Ok - take with some salt :)

Vas




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