Author: Eduard Nemeth
Date: 09:12:03 06/01/05
Go up one level in this thread
On June 01, 2005 at 04:12:51, Matthias Gemuh wrote:
>
>
>Playing via internet and at that time control, I may win the match.
>Of course Shredder 9 will have to be running on a second PC.
>
>Matthias.
Schon wieder märchenhafte Ausrweden. Lass es dir (und auch anderen!) endlich
sagen, dass menschliche Spieler auf Playchess.com nur als Menschen - also ohne
jede Computerunterstützung spielen (samt mir).
Ein Pablo Ignacio Restrepo oder Kurt Utzinger, benötigen keinen 2. PC, und votr
allem kann man die Züge von Pablo mit keiner Engine reproduzieren!
Und was mich angeht, genauso. Hier einige Beispiele, wo kein Computer hätte mir
"in irgend einer Form helfen können" und ich konnte auch keinen Zug zurücknehmen
bei den Serverpartien, also habe ich auch bei der Nicht-ServerPartie natürlich
auch keinen Zug zuückgenommen, denn sowas mach ich nicht
(mag sein dass Du eine PC Unterstützung brauchst, aber übertrage das bitte dann
nicht auf andere, danke :-):
[Event "30m + 0s""]
[Site "playchess.com"]
[Date "2001.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "EduardNemeth"]
[Black "Smurskie, DeepFritz,2x1GHz"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B23"]
[WhiteElo "2210"]
[PlyCount "222"]
[EventDate "2001.??.??"]
1. e4 {6} c5 {0} 2. Nc3 {2} a6 {0} 3. g3 {3} b5 {0} 4. Bg2 {5} Bb7 {0} 5. d3 {1
} e6 {0} 6. Bd2 {3} d5 {46} 7. Nge2 {40} b4 {37} 8. Nb1 {5} Bd6 {33} 9. O-O {15
} Nf6 {63} 10. exd5 {58} Bxd5 {38} 11. Nf4 {108} Bxg2 {43} 12. Nxg2 {8} O-O {76
} 13. Bc1 {27} Nc6 {45} 14. Nd2 {21} Nd4 {37} 15. Nb3 {47} a5 {51} 16. Ne3 {71}
a4 {35} 17. Nxd4 {3} cxd4 {10} 18. Nc4 {2} Qc7 {57} 19. Bg5 {91} Ne4 {60} 20.
Bd2 {255} Nxd2 {40} 21. Qxd2 {16} Rab8 {23} 22. b3 {33} a3 {45} 23. Rae1 {29}
Be7 {36} 24. Qe2 {47} Rb5 {32} 25. Qe4 {121} Bf6 {20} 26. Kg2 {25} Rc8 {20} 27.
Re2 {34} Rd5 {74} 28. Ree1 {47} Qc6 {22} 29. Re2 {7} Rc5 {47} 30. Qxc6 {4}
R5xc6 {6} 31. Rfe1 {4} Kf8 {64} 32. Re4 {6} h5 {33} 33. h3 {10} Ke7 {19} 34.
R4e2 {13} g5 {23} 35. g4 {9} Rh8 {38} 36. Rh1 {3} Rcc8 {32} 37. Ree1 {9} Rh7 {
48} 38. f3 {3} Rch8 {13} 39. Ref1 {20} e5 {24} 40. Re1 {15} Ke6 {20} 41. Ref1 {
2} Be7 {11} 42. Re1 {1} Bd6 {20} 43. Ref1 {57} Rh6 {13} 44. Re1 {3} R8h7 {8}
45. Ref1 {1} Be7 {9} 46. Re1 {1} f6 {7} 47. Ref1 {1} Bc5 {12} 48. Re1 {
EduardNemeth bietet Remis 2} Rh8 {0} 49. Ref1 {1} Bd6 {13} 50. Re1 {1} R8h7 {8}
51. Ref1 {1} Kd5 {11} 52. Re1 {1} Rh8 {19} 53. Ref1 {1} Bc5 {7} 54. Re1 {1} Be7
{12} 55. Ref1 {1} Kc5 {11} 56. Re1 {1} R6h7 {13} 57. Ref1 {1} Kd5 {11} 58. Re1
{1} Bd6 {6} 59. Ref1 {1} Rc7 {21} 60. Re1 {1} Rhh7 {22} 61. Ref1 {3} h4 {5} 62.
Re1 {9} Bc5 {0} 63. Re4 {6} Rc8 {2} 64. Rhe1 {2} Kc6 {6} 65. R1e2 {2} Rhc7 {7}
66. Re1 {0} Re7 {4} 67. R1e2 {1} Kb5 {9} 68. Re1 {1} Rc6 {5} 69. R1e2 {1} Rb7 {
6} 70. Re1 {1} Bd6 {8} 71. R1e2 {1} Rd7 {5} 72. Re1 {2} Kc5 {4} 73. R1e2 {1}
Kd5 {7} 74. Re1 {1} Rdc7 {6} 75. R1e2 {1} Rc8 {4} 76. Re1 {1} Rb8 {3} 77. R1e2
{1} Rg8 {4} 78. Re1 {1} Rg7 {4} 79. R1e2 {1} Kc5 {3} 80. Re1 {1} Bc7 {4} 81.
R1e2 {1} Rg8 {5} 82. Re1 {1} Rc8 {5} 83. R1e2 {1} Bd6 {4} 84. Re1 {1} Ra6 {2}
85. R1e2 {1} Ra7 {EduardNemeth bietet Remis 4} 86. Re1 {3} Kc6 {1} 87. R1e2 {1}
Rac7 {7} 88. Re1 {1} Be7 {4} 89. R1e2 {4} Bf8 {5} 90. Re1 {1} Kb5 {3} 91. R1e2
{1} Rc6 {4} 92. Re1 {1} R8c7 {2} 93. R1e2 {1} Bc5 {4} 94. Re1 {1} Ra6 {4} 95.
R1e2 {1} Rcc6 {2} 96. Re1 {1} Ra8 {3} 97. R1e2 {0} Rac8 {5} 98. Re1 {1} Bd6 {2}
99. R1e2 {1} Ra6 {7} 100. Re1 {1} Kc6 {4} 101. R1e2 {1} Kd5 {3} 102. Re1 {1}
Rf8 {3} 103. R1e2 {2} Rf7 {0} 104. Re1 {1} Rc6 {1} 105. R1e2 {1} Bc7 {2} 106.
Re1 {1} Rf8 {2} 107. R1e2 {1} Bd6 {3} 108. Re1 {1} Rc7 {0} 109. R1e2 {1} Rb8 {1
} 110. Re1 {1} Rb5 {0} 111. R1e2 {1} Rcc5 {2} 1/2-1/2
[Event "Wertungspartie 30m+0s"]
[Site "Playchess.com"]
[Date "2004.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Geschichtsgenius,Shredder 8"]
[Black "EduardNemeth"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "A29"]
[WhiteElo "2375"]
[BlackElo "2155"]
[Annotator "Nemeth,Eduard"]
[PlyCount "100"]
[EventDate "2004.??.??"]
1. c4 {Weiß spielt mit Shredder 8 auf 1,1 GHz 0} e5 {3} 2. Nc3 {0} Nf6 {3} 3.
Nf3 {0} Nc6 {2} 4. g3 {0} d5 {Nachdem ich im Blitz nach Bb4 verloren hatte,
entschied ich mich so zu spielen. 3} 5. cxd5 {0} Nxd5 {1} 6. Bg2 {0} Nb6 {1} 7.
O-O {0} Be7 {1} 8. d3 {0} O-O {3} 9. Be3 {0} Be6 {9} 10. Na4 {0} Bd5 {
Um den Läufer abtauschen zu können, wenn der Springer auf f3 abzieht. 17} 11.
Nc3 {0.00/14 45} Be6 {4} 12. Rc1 {0} Nd5 {13} 13. Nxd5 {0} Bxd5 {2} 14. Qa4 {0}
Re8 {8} 15. Rfd1 {-0.01/12 34} a6 {Ich wollte nicht aggressiv spielen, daher
wollte ich abwarten was Shredder 8 anstreben würde. 40} 16. Bh3 {
Den Zug habe ich nicht verstanden. 0.07/13 16} Bxf3 {40} 17. exf3 {0.39/11 5}
Nd4 {20} 18. Bxd4 {0.68/15 21} exd4 {8} 19. Bd7 {0.62/15 38} Rf8 {
Ich spiele auf Remis. 33} 20. Qxd4 {0.37/15 31} Bf6 {9} 21. Qg4 {0.22/14 35} b6
{50} 22. d4 {1.56/14 60} a5 {35} 23. Bc6 {1.95/12 45} Rb8 {2} 24. Rd2 {
1.79/12 36} Be7 {7} 25. Re2 {2.02/14 36} Bd6 {2} 26. Qf5 {2.29/14 34} Qc8 {6}
27. Qh5 {2.21/13 31} Qd8 {36} 28. Qf5 {2.33/14 0} Qc8 {5} 29. Qh5 {2.14/13 40}
Qd8 {Typisch Shredder. Fast eine 3-fach Wiederholung. 2} 30. a3 {2.04/11 24}
Qf6 {6} 31. Re4 {1.89/12 22} Qh6 {Hier dachte ich dass ich trotz schlechter
Bauern, mit ungleichfarbigen Läufern Remis halten könnte. 56} 32. Qxh6 {
2.64/11 7} gxh6 {1} 33. Kg2 {2.44/13 35} Kg7 {18} 34. f4 {2.53/13 29} f6 {26}
35. h4 {2.64/13 29} Rbd8 {6} 36. f5 {2.71/15 39} Rf7 {7} 37. Rce1 {2.59/15 26}
Kf8 {19} 38. Re6 {2.64/15 3} Kg7 {9} 39. f4 {2.87/13 26} Kf8 {9} 40. h5 {
3.02/15 18} Kg7 {2} 41. Kf3 {3.03/15 25} Kf8 {12} 42. d5 {Shredder 8 forciert
voranzugehen, aber er blockiert sich so eher nun zu! 3.00/15 9} Kg7 {6} 43. g4
{3.02/17 20} Rff8 {8} 44. R1e4 {3.00/16 20} Rf7 {2} 45. Kf2 {3.03/16 31} Rff8 {
2} 46. b4 {3.09/16 15} axb4 {2} 47. axb4 {3.02/16 14} Rf7 {2} 48. Kf3 {
2.97/16 23} Rff8 {3} 49. b5 {3.02/16 20} Rf7 {EduardNemeth bietet Remis 2} 50.
Re1 {2.99/17 20} Rff8 {(Lag: Av=0.56s, max=5.4s) Hier bot ich Remis an. Der
Operator nimmt es an. Wie soll weiss das gewinnen bitte, trotz +3? 2} 1/2-1/2
Endposition:
Geschichtsgenius, Shredder 8 - EduardNemeth, Wertungspartie, 2004
[D]3r1r2/2p3kp/1pBbRp1p/1P1P1P1P/5PP1/5K2/8/4R3 w - - 0 1
:-))
[Event "Blitz:10'"]
[Site "Privat"]
[Date "2005.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Fritz 8.0026"]
[Black "Nemeth, Eduard"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D02"]
[Annotator "Nemeth,Eduard"]
[PlyCount "293"]
[EventDate "2005.??.??"]
{64MB, Fritz8.ctg, P3 600} 1. Nf3 {0} d5 {2} 2. d4 {0} f5 {(Sf6) 2} 3. Bf4 {0}
e6 {(Sf6) 1} 4. e3 {0.43/10 19} Nf6 {6} 5. Nbd2 {0} Qd6 {(Le7) 2} 6. Bxd6 {
6.03/9 4} Bxd6 {1} 7. Ne5 {6.03/11 16} Nbd7 {(0-0) 1} 8. f4 {6.15/11 19} O-O {1
} 9. Qf3 {6.22/11 14} Re8 {(Se4) 1} 10. Be2 {6.43/10 16} Re7 {(a6) 1} 11. O-O {
6.56/10 17} Nf8 {(c5) 1} 12. c4 {6.72/10 25} c6 {(c5) 1} 13. c5 {7.09/11 10}
Bc7 {3} 14. b4 {7.06/11 11} a6 {(S8d7) 1} 15. a4 {7.09/11 21} Bd7 {1} 16. Qg3 {
7.06/10 12} Be8 {8} 17. Qg5 {7.06/9 3} N8d7 {5} 18. Rab1 {7.09/9 10} Nf8 {
(Lb8) 15} 19. Qh4 {7.06/9 9} Bd8 {(Sg6) 3} 20. a5 {7.09/9 9} Rc8 {(S8d7) 5} 21.
Rbc1 {7.06/9 9} Rcc7 {(Sg6) 1} 22. Rcd1 {7.12/10 8} g6 {(S8d7) 1} 23. Rf3 {
7.43/9 11} Rg7 {2} 24. Rh3 {7.40/11 11} Bd7 {(S8d7) 3} 25. Qg3 {7.50/10 8} Bc8
{1} 26. Rh6 {7.43/11 8} Rce7 {(S8d7) 4} 27. Rf1 {7.37/10 10} Rc7 {(S8d7) 1} 28.
Qf2 {7.40/10 10} Rce7 {(S6d7) 1} 29. Qh4 {7.37/10 8} Rc7 {(S8d7) 1} 30. Qh3 {
7.34/11 16} Rce7 {(S6d7) 1} 31. Kh1 {7.37/10 8} Rc7 {(S8d7) 1} 32. Qg3 {
7.40/10 9} Ne8 {(S8d7) 3} 33. Ndf3 {7.53/11 8} Nf6 {1} 34. Ng5 {7.50/11 5} Ne8
{(Se4) 8} 35. Kg1 {7.50/10 7} Nf6 {3} 36. Re1 {7.22/10 4} Ne8 {(Se4) 2} 37. Bf3
{7.50/9 6} Nf6 {1} 38. Rf1 {7.43/10 5} Ne8 {(Se4) 1} 39. Rh3 {7.50/10 7} Rce7 {
(Sf6) 1} 40. Be2 {7.53/10 7} Rc7 {(Sf6) 1} 41. Rf2 {7.56/10 5} Nf6 {2} 42. Rh6
{7.22/10 3} Rce7 {(Se4) 3} 43. Qh4 {7.47/10 9} Rc7 {1} 44. Qh3 {7.50/10 4} Rce7
{(Se4) 1} 45. Rf1 {7.47/9 4} Rc7 {1} 46. Rc1 {7.50/10 5} Rce7 {(Se4) 1} 47. Rd1
{7.43/10 9} Rc7 {(Se4) 1} 48. Qg3 {7.47/10 5} Rce7 {(Se4) 1} 49. Bf3 {7.53/8 4}
Rc7 {(S8d7) 1} 50. Rb1 {7.34/10 6} Ne8 {(Se4) 2} 51. Bd1 {7.53/9 4} Nf6 {1} 52.
Be2 {7.47/10 4} Rce7 {(Se4) 1} 53. Rb2 {7.50/9 5} Rc7 {(Lc7) 0} 54. Rd2 {
7.40/9 4} Rce7 {0} 55. Rc2 {7.40/9 4} Rc7 {(S8d7) 1} 56. Rc1 {7.47/10 6} Rce7 {
(Se4) 1} 57. Ra1 {7.43/9 4} Rc7 {0} 58. Bd3 {7.43/9 4} Rce7 {(S8d7) 1} 59. Rf1
{7.43/8 3} Ne8 {(S8d7) 2} 60. Be2 {7.59/8 4} Nf6 {1} 61. Rf3 {7.53/9 4} Rc7 {
(Se4) 1} 62. Qh3 {7.43/10 6} Rce7 {(S8d7) 1} 63. Qh4 {7.43/9 3} Rc7 {(S8d7) 1}
64. Qe1 {7.43/9 3} Rce7 {(Se4) 1} 65. Rfh3 {7.43/9 3} Re8 {(Tc7) 1} 66. Qg3 {
7.43/9 4} Ree7 {1} 67. Qf2 {7.47/8 1} Re8 {(Se4) 1} 68. Qh4 {7.40/9 3} Ree7 {
(Se4) 1} 69. Bd3 {7.47/9 3} Rc7 {(Se4) 1} 70. Rf3 {7.34/9 6} Rce7 {(Se4) 1} 71.
h3 {7.31/7 2} Rc7 {(S8d7) 1} 72. Rf2 {7.28/9 4} Rce7 {(Se4) 1} 73. Qg3 {
7.34/8 3} Rc7 {(Se4) 1} 74. Be2 {7.34/9 3} Rce7 {(Se4) 1} 75. Rf1 {7.28/9 3}
Rc7 {1} 76. Bd3 {7.47/8 1} Rce7 {(Sh5) 1} 77. Kh1 {7.43/8 2} Rc7 {(S8d7) 1} 78.
Be2 {7.40/9 3} Rce7 {(Tge7) 1} 79. Rd1 {7.40/9 3} Re8 {(Tc7) 1} 80. Kg1 {
7.34/8 2} Ree7 {(Se4) 1} 81. Bd3 {7.37/8 3} Re8 {(Se4) 1} 82. Rb1 {7.28/8 2}
Ree7 {(Se4) 1} 83. Be2 {7.40/9 3} Re8 {(Se4) 1} 84. Rf1 {7.34/9 3} Ree7 {
(Se4) 0} 85. Re1 {7.34/9 3} Re8 {(Se4) 0} 86. Rc1 {7.25/9 3} Ree7 {(Se4) 1} 87.
Kh2 {7.31/8 2} Re8 {2} 88. Rf1 {7.28/8 0} Ree7 {(S8d7) 1} 89. Bd3 {7.34/8 1}
Rc7 {(S8d7) 1} 90. Rf2 {7.34/8 3} Rce7 {(Se4) 1} 91. Rd2 {7.25/9 3} Rc7 {1} 92.
Rd1 {7.31/8 0} Rce7 {(Se4) 1} 93. Be2 {7.34/8 1} Re8 {2} 94. Rd2 {7.25/8 0}
Ree7 {(Tge7) 1} 95. Kg1 {7.34/8 1} Re8 {1} 96. Bd3 {7.31/8 2} Ree7 {(S8d7) 1}
97. Rb2 {7.34/8 1} Rc7 {(Se4) 1} 98. Be2 {7.37/8 2} Rce7 {(Se4) 1} 99. Rb3 {
7.40/7 2} Rc7 {1} 100. Rc3 {7.31/8 0} Rce7 {(Se4) 1} 101. Rc2 {7.37/8 1} Re8 {
(Tc7) 1} 102. Bd3 {7.28/8 1} Ree7 {(Se4) 1} 103. Rc1 {7.40/8 1} Rc7 {(S8d7) 1}
104. Bf1 {7.31/7 2} Rce7 {(Se4) 1} 105. Rb1 {7.34/7 1} Re8 {1} 106. Re1 {
7.28/8 1} Ree7 {(Se4) 1} 107. Bd3 {7.40/7 1} Rc7 {(Se4) 1} 108. Rd1 {7.37/7 1}
Rce7 {(Se4) 1} 109. Ra1 {7.37/7 1} Re8 {(Sh5) 1} 110. Be2 {7.25/8 2} Ree7 {
(Tc7) 1} 111. Ra2 {7.47/7 1} Rc7 {(S8d7) 1} 112. Ra3 {7.34/8 1} Rce7 {(Se4) 1}
113. Kh1 {7.34/7 1} Rc7 {(Se4) 0} 114. Ra1 {7.34/7 1} Rce7 {(Se4) 1} 115. Rb1 {
7.40/7 0} Rc7 {1} 116. Kg1 {7.34/8 0} Rce7 {(Se4) 1} 117. Bf3 {7.34/7 1} Rc7 {
(Se4) 1} 118. Rf1 {7.40/7 0} Rce7 {(Se4) 1} 119. Qf2 {7.03/7 1} Rc7 {(S8d7) 1}
120. g4 {7.12/6 0} Rce7 {(Se4) 1} 121. Qg3 {7.15/6 1} Rc7 {(S8d7) 1} 122. Be2 {
7.31/6 1} Rce7 {(S6d7) 1} 123. Rf2 {7.18/6 1} Rc7 {(S8d7) 1} 124. Bf1 {7.28/5 0
} Rce7 {(S6d7) 1} 125. Bg2 {7.18/6 1} Rc7 {(S8d7) 1} 126. Rf1 {7.40/5 0} Rce7 {
(S6d7) 1} 127. Kh1 {7.25/5 0} Rc7 {(S6d7) 1} 128. Rg1 {7.28/6 0} Rce7 {(Se4) 1}
129. Bf3 {7.22/5 0} Rc7 {(Se4) 1} 130. gxf5 {7.31/5 0} exf5 {(gxf5) 1} 131. Kh2
{7.09/5 0} Rce7 {(Se4) 1} 132. Rf1 {6.87/5 0} Rc7 {(S8d7) 1} 133. Be2 {6.93/6 1
} Rce7 {(Se4) 1} 134. Kh1 {6.90/6 1} Rc7 {(S8d7) 1} 135. Rg1 {7.18/5 0} Rce7 {
(Se4) 1} 136. Bd3 {6.97/5 0} Rc7 {(Se4) 1} 137. Bf1 {7.06/6 1} Rce7 {(Se4) 1}
138. Qg2 {6.90/6 1} Rc7 {1} 139. Qc2 {6.93/6 1} Rce7 {(Se4) 1} 140. Qf2 {
6.81/5 0} Rc7 {(S8d7) 1} 141. Kh2 {6.97/6 1} Rce7 {(Se4) 1} 142. Qg3 {7.06/5 0}
Rc7 {(S6d7) 1} 143. Be2 {6.93/6 1} Rce7 {(Se4) 1} 144. Bd3 {6.90/6 1} Re8 {
(Se4) 2} 145. Bc2 {6.87/6 0} Ree7 {(Se6) 1} 146. Kh1 {6.75/5 0} Rc7 {(S8d7) 1}
{Time} 147. Bd1 {6.93/6 1} 0-1
:-))
[Event "Blitz:15'+2""]
[Site "Playchess.com"]
[Date "2004.11.24"]
[Round "?"]
[White "EduardNemeth"]
[Black "Bloodymagicians, Deep Fritz 8"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B23"]
[BlackElo "2384"]
[Annotator "Nemeth,Eduard"]
[PlyCount "51"]
[EventDate "2004.??.??"]
[TimeControl "900+2"]
1. e4 {1} c5 {Deep Fritz 8 on Authentic AMD, Ply12,9, 311 Kn/s, 1 Thread. 0} 2.
Nc3 {32} d6 {0} 3. g3 {2} Nc6 {0} 4. d3 {2} g6 {0} 5. Bd2 {1} Bg7 {-0.20/10 30}
6. Bg2 {2} Nf6 {0} 7. f3 {2} O-O {-0.39/11 30} 8. Nge2 {1} d5 {-0.38/11 37} 9.
Qc1 {3} d4 {-0.40/11 28} 10. Nd1 {2} Be6 {-0.32/12 37} 11. b3 {5} Bd7 {
-0.46/10 26} 12. O-O {2} Qc7 {-0.39/10 21} 13. Nf2 {10} Rfd8 {-0.35/10 24} 14.
a3 {3} a5 {-0.28/11 35} 15. a4 {5} Ra6 {-0.25/11 34} 16. Kh1 {16} Nb4 {
-0.32/11 20} 17. Kg1 {17} Re6 {-0.28/11 42} 18. f4 {45} h6 {-0.21/10 27} 19. h3
{3} Bc8 {-0.20/10 18} 20. Kh2 {4} Rb6 {-0.20/10 19} 21. Ng1 {23} Nd7 {
-0.16/10 24} 22. Nf3 {19} Re6 {-0.02/10 8} 23. Ng1 {7} Rd6 {-0.11/10 18} 24.
Nf3 {2} Ra6 {-0.01/9 15} 25. Ng1 {2} Qd6 {-0.11/10 25} 26. Nf3 {
(Lag: Av=1.25s, max=4.1s) 8} 1/2-1/2
Der Operator willigte in das Remis ein.
(Schon eher traue ich den GMs nun zu, wenn sie aug Playchess.com mit
konventionellen Strategien spielen, dass sie evtl. eine 2. Rechner haben
könnten, denn die Neuzeit hat beweisen dass einige GMs unter sich leider
betrogen haben, warum also nicht auch genauso gegen einen Computer dann auch?)
EN.
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