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Subject: Re: Rebel 10C

Author: Bertil Eklund

Date: 13:57:03 02/16/99

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On February 16, 1999 at 15:35:45, blass uri wrote:

>
>On February 15, 1999 at 10:58:31, Dan Kiski wrote:
>
>>When it becomes available in the next few days, anyone have any thoughts on how
>>much stronger it will be than 10B. And if it will be as good as Fritz or Hiarcs.
>
>I think that the ssdf rating is misleading because Fritz is optimized for
>P200MMX.
>
>I also do not trust the autoplayer because Ed found that Rebel10 is weaker if it
>uses the autoplayer because of a bug in the autoplayer.
>
>This is the reason that he delayed releasing the autoplayer for Rebel10.
>
>I wonder if this is also a problem of other programs in part of their games.
>
>I think there are some candidates to be the best on relevant hardware and I have
>no idea which one is the best.
>
>I trust only the CM6000 results of the ssdf guys because the games are played
>manually.
>
>I cannot trust other results if the testers do not test the games to see if the
>moves can be reproduced manually.
>
>Uri
Hallo!

I have played several thousands of games with Rebel7/8/9 and never seen anything
suspicious at all. I have also played a lot of games manually and it is easy to
reproduce every single move! As you can read on the Rebel-board Moritz Berger
explains what is eventually wrong with Rebel10. You can also see if you use
bigger hash-tables then 28mb rebel plays slower and often at the same ply-level
play another move! This is valid for P200MMX. The manual or the program should
tell the user the size of the hash-table suitable for the choosen time-control
and machine.

I don´t understand in which way the SSDF-rating is misleading as it is clearly
told what machine and speed that had been used. When we choosed the P200MMX it
was more or less the only realistic alternative.

We are going to upgrade in march/april but we haven´t yet decided what´s the
best alternative, after the release of new cpus in feb/march maybe things can be
a bit clearer.

Opinions welcome!

Regards Bertil!



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