Author: blass uri
Date: 02:36:08 02/17/99
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On February 17, 1999 at 03:42:08, Steven Juchnowski wrote: > >On February 16, 1999 at 10:53:02, Michael Ginat wrote: > >>On February 16, 1999 at 02:23:41, Steven Juchnowski wrote: >> >>> >>>On February 15, 1999 at 13:12:13, Dann Corbit wrote: >>> >>>>On February 15, 1999 at 13:06:44, Thoralf Karlsson wrote: >>>> >>>>>On February 15, 1999 at 02:49:40, Harald Faber wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >BTW is there a plan to test WChess2000 and Zarkov5? >>>>> >>>>>If we publish results with these programs, we are threatened to be severely >>>>>punished under German and European law. At least Ossi Weiner says so in a recent >>>>>email. See copy below: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Our license conditions *do not allow* anybody to publish computer games >>>>>(neither with or without autoplayer) or results of computer games of our >>>>>chess programs without our written consent. Violating these license >>>>>conditions can severly be punished under German law, even if such person or >>>>>organisation is located outside Germany. Violations can also be pesecuted >>>>>under European laws." >>>>> >>>>>Could someone who owns these programs and Shredder 3.0 or Genius 6.0 confirm >>>>>that the above text is included in the licence text? >>>>What an unbelievable act of cowardice on the part of the chess companies. >>>>I will never buy any product with a stupid statement like that attached to it. >>> >>>Agreed. Lets hope this doesn't set a precedance, otherwise playing >>>computer chess games will become part of some underground culture, >>>not recognized by the "law". >> >>Hey guys, give them a break! How can they try to run a business if any Tom, Dick >>or Harry can conduct experiments to "prove" which is the greatest? Is it a >>matter of "cowardice" or worries that the test is not run in a controlled >>environment? What if both machines are 200 mhz but one has a faster BUS, or >>superior motherboard? What if one computer has a faulty component? >>Potentially if you publish Hiarcs 7 (or Fritz.32) is world champion you might >>hurt someone's livelihood. >>regards, >>Michael Ginat > >I don't think that the SDDF fall into the category of any "Tom, Dick >or Harry". >The conspiracy theories behind Fritz5 reaching no.1 (ironically headed >by Ossi Werner), may have taken some of the gloss off the SDDF, >but they are still widely repected by the computer chess community. >As to the possibility of running games on suspect hardware, well yes >anything is possible, but since the SDDF publish their games it is possible >to verify or deny an odd result. This actually occurred recently between a >match between Junior5 and Rebel8 on a P90(?) (correct me if I am wrong), >where Junior5 was unexpectedly losing games. You are right that some games between Junior5 and Rebel8 on a P90 were done again because of the fact that Junior5 was significantly slower. It is possible to verify or deny odd results in published games but most of the games are not published. I remember that Junior5 lost some matches in the ssdf games(against Hiarcs7 and against Rebe9 on a P200) and I could not find the games. Uri
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