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Subject: Amazing Isn't It?

Author: Terry McCracken

Date: 23:14:49 07/05/05

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On July 06, 2005 at 02:01:09, Robin Smith wrote:

>On July 05, 2005 at 20:20:25, Dann Corbit wrote:
>
>>On July 05, 2005 at 20:06:51, Eugene Nalimov wrote:
>>
>>>On July 05, 2005 at 20:03:28, Terry McCracken wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 05, 2005 at 19:55:33, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On July 05, 2005 at 19:26:39, Terry McCracken wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On July 05, 2005 at 15:04:13, Eugene Nalimov wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On July 05, 2005 at 14:41:42, Dieter Buerssner wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On July 05, 2005 at 13:37:55, Terry McCracken wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On July 05, 2005 at 13:01:07, Yar wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>8/7p/4k3/2B5/1P2K3/1r6/8/8 b - -
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yes it appears to be a draw unless there is something hidden in the position?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>This is a 6-men position. As far as I know, this particular 6-men TB has never
>>>>>>>>been available from Robert Hyatt's ftp. But Marc Bourzutschky has created all
>>>>>>>>6-men TBs in the chessmaster format. He should be able to give a definite result
>>>>>>>>to this position. He might not read this thread. You should be able to find his
>>>>>>>>email adress by the CCC search engine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>>Dieter
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>C:\Crafty>wcrafty.exe
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Initializing multiple threads.
>>>>>>>System is SMP, not NUMA.
>>>>>>>unable to open book file [./book.bin].
>>>>>>>book is disabled
>>>>>>>unable to open book file [./books.bin].
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Crafty v19.18 (1 cpus)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>White(1): tbpath=k:\32;k:\21;k:\41;k:\31;k:\22;f:\33p
>>>>>>>6 piece tablebase files found
>>>>>>>93611kb of RAM used for TB indices and decompression tables
>>>>>>>White(1): 8/7p/4k3/2B5/1P2K3/1r6/8/8 b - -
>>>>>>>1. ... Rb1! 2. Kf4! Kd5! 3. Kg5 Ke4! 4. Kg4! Ra1 5. Bb6 Ra6 6. Bc5!
>>>>>>>Rg6+! 7. Kh3! Kf3! 8. Kh2! Rg2+ 9. Kh3! Rb2 10. Bf8 Rb1! 11. Kh2!
>>>>>>>Kg4! 12. Bg7 Rxb4! 13. Be5! Ra4 14. Bb8 Ra2+ 15. Kg1! Kh3 16. Bc7
>>>>>>>Rg2+ 17. Kf1! Rg4 18. Kf2! Rg6 19. Bb8 Rg2+ 20. Kf1! Rg4! 21. Bc7
>>>>>>>Kh4! 22. Bb8 Kg5 23. Kf2 Kf5 24. Bg3 h5! 25. Kf3! h4! 26. Bb8 Rb4
>>>>>>>27. Ba7! Rb2 28. Bd4! Ra2 29. Bb6 h3! 30. Bc7! h2! 31. Bxh2! Rxh2!
>>>>>>>32. Ke3! Rh4 33. Kd3! Re4 34. Kc3 Kf4! 35. Kd3 Kf3! 36. Kd2 Re3!
>>>>>>>37. Kd1! Re2! 38. Kc1 Rf2 39. Kd1 Ke3! 40. Kc1! Kd3! 41. Kb1! Kc3!
>>>>>>>42. Ka1! Kb3! 43. Kb1 Rf1#
>>>>>>>              puzzling over a move to ponder.
>>>>>>>              depth   time  score   variation (1)
>>>>>>>Black(1): Rb1 [pondering]
>>>>>>>              clearing hash tables
>>>>>>>              time surplus   0.00  time limit 30.00 (3:30)
>>>>>>>              depth   time  score   variation (1)
>>>>>>>              time=0.02  cpu=0%  mat=-2  n=113  fh=100%  nps=10K
>>>>>>>              ext-> chk=0 cap=0 pp=0 1rep=0 mate=0
>>>>>>>              predicted=0  nodes=113  evals=17  50move=0
>>>>>>>              endgame tablebase-> probes=15  hits=15
>>>>>>>              hashing-> 65%(raw) 65%(depth)  0%(sat)  94%(pawn)
>>>>>>>              hashing-> 65%(exact)  0%(lower)  0%(upper)
>>>>>>>              SMP->  split=0  stop=0  data=0/128  cpu=0.00  elap=0.02
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A win for Black?! I think White is wrong with its K moves and Bg7?? dropping the
>>>>>>b pawn, after that its lost!?
>>>>>
>>>>>By 12.Bg7 white is definitely lost.
>>>>
>>>>Yes, that is losing outright.
>>>>I would at lest try Bc5.
>>>
>>>Rb2+ and mate in 32 as well.
>>
>>[D]5B2/7p/8/8/1P4k1/8/7K/1r6 w - -
>>
>>I honestly believe I could take black, play against a computer with 6 man EGTB
>>and still win this position (or at least on 2/3 tries).  For some reason, this
>>looks pretty obvious to me.
>
>[D] 5B2/8/8/8/6kp/8/7K/1r6 w - -
>
>Does this position also looks like any easy win? Ironically with White's pawn
>gone and Black's further advanced it is now a draw. They key to Black winning is
>keeping the pawn as far back as possible, only moving it forward to put White in
>zugzwang.
>
>-Robin

Very good, no wonder I at first glance thought the oringinal position a draw!

Time to work on my Basic Endings!:/
>
>>On the other hand, I would probably screw up and draw or lose, but it sure looks
>>like an easy win.
>>
>>>>>Since there is no exclamation point by Bg7, there are several alternatives that
>>>>>are equally good/bad depending upon how you look at it (e.g. for 2.Kf4, that is
>>>>>clearly the best response but for other moves there may not be a single best
>>>>>reply.)
>>>>>
>>>>>>Are you sure there isn't a bug at work here??
>>>>>
>>>>>Looks fine to me.  Omniscient tablebase files often cause magically strange
>>>>>looking moves.  I am guessing that analysis will show there is not a better
>>>>>response.
>>>>
>>>>Maybe, it appears a zugzwang is in the making. TB's certainly don't work like
>>>>our minds, and it messed me up a bit.



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