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Subject: Re: Is the SSDF taking a break from testing?

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 19:50:21 07/15/05

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On July 15, 2005 at 22:19:44, Sune Fischer wrote:

>On July 15, 2005 at 21:00:05, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>
>>>Here you simply end op with an ever growing list of engines you have to keep
>>>playing against, and because they play more and more games it will be harder and
>>>harder to take them out. How do you break this circle?
>>
>>There is no value to break the circle until the engine is no longer strong
>>enough (e.g. when it becomes 300 Elo weaker than the engine that you wish to
>>calibrate, then the data loses its punch).  As long as the engine is within 100
>>Elo of the test engine, the more games that have been played against an engine,
>>the better it is to test with.  If we had an engine with 1 trillion games
>>against it by carefully calibrated known opponents and it was within 100 Elo of
>>our engine, it would be the best possible measuring line.
>
>I would prefer a round robit type tournament with a roughly even number of games
>per engine instead of forever gauntletting the oldtimers.
>
>I'm pretty sure it creates a more accurate rating too.

Yes, probably that is better.  With 2-4 games against a broad array of well
known opponents, you will get an even better result.  I think the difficulty
here is setting up the tournaments.  Probably, most of the testers do not have
all of the programs.  And some of the programs require manual intervention.

>>>Take out the old engines and just play on against its opponents, there must be
>>>many of those.
>>
>>The old hardware programs in the list don't have much value anymore, because
>>most good amateur programs can clobber them.  But Fritz 5.32 on a 450 MHz box
>>will be plenty strong of an opponent for a couple years to come, probably.
>
>I think that one has earned its retirement.
>:)
>
>-S
>>[snip]



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